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Charming.
 
That was fast indeed.
 
Yakman said:
eh. dunno.

Jews were widespread through the Mediterranean by the time the Romans took over. Presumably, a Rome/Etruria that looks north... say Pyrrhus defeats them in the south... well... those Jews are presumably spreading throughout the Med in any event. So the lines which Christianity already spread by are still extant.

So... Christianity grew w/o state support under Roman rule. Why wouldn't it grow w/o state support w/o Roman rule? Paganism was still unfulfilling. Many of the things which propelled Christian growth - the plagues, the emptiness of paganism, the Mediterranean trade routes - all that's still there. Maybe there's no great inflection point like the Milvian Bridge, but why can't the religion get there without the oppression?
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This is the problem with attempting to rewrite history.

Judaism, for all intents and purposes, began when Moses liberated the Hebrews from Pharaoh; yes? They still have dinner once a year to this day to talk about it, and this was also Jesus’ Last Supper. This past Tuesday was Rosh Hashana, this Wednesday is Yom Kippur. Ancient traditions die hard.

Julius Caesar captures Rome. Wedding Isis, he becomes Horus; man made god, Pharaoh, god emperor.

When Caesars son and friends murder Caesar; Caesar’s generals track down the opposition to make his heir Emperor. Last to fall is the new Horus, Mark Antony; and Isis reborn, Cleopatra.

Sole ruler, Octavius becomes Caesar Augustus. Egypt is now the personal fief of Caesar, and Divine Caesar’s divinity flows from this font.

Caesar Augustus, Pharoah reborn, man made god, decrees a census in Jerusalem. And there is born Jesus of Nazareth, God made man; who came to earth not to bring peace, but a Sword.

And Paul, a Greek Roman Jew, shares the wealth throughout the Empire forevermore.
 
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Yeah, no. Moses probaly didn't liberate anyone from anywhere and jewish customs and religion are way older than the grand bible tale says.

But still, your story would be a bestseller with little polishing.
 
Andre Bolkonsky said:
This is the problem with attempting to rewrite history.

Judaism, for all intents and purposes, began when Moses liberated the Hebrews from Pharaoh; yes? They still have dinner once a year to this day to talk about it, and this was also Jesus’ Last Supper. This past Tuesday was Rosh Hashana, this Wednesday is Yom Kippur. Ancient traditions die hard.

Julius Caesar captures Rome. Wedding Isis, he becomes Horus; man made god, Pharaoh, god emperor.

When Caesars son and friends murder Caesar; Caesar’s generals track down the opposition to make his heir Emperor. Last to fall is the new Horus, Mark Antony; and Isis reborn, Cleopatra.

Sole ruler, Octavius becomes Caesar Augustus. Egypt is now the personal fief of Caesar, and Divine Caesar’s divinity flows from this font.

Caesar Augustus, Pharoah reborn, man made god, decrees a census in Jerusalem. And there is born Jesus of Nazareth, God made man; who came to earth not to bring peace, but a Sword.

And Paul, a Greek Roman Jew, shares the wealth throughout the Empire forevermore.
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eh. as your example illustrates, throughout the orient, men were made into divinities. this wasn't really an issue back then, at least in the East. Augustus didn't like it, supposedly, although he let the cities which petitioned him (in Syria, iirc) for them to build a temple to him.

as far as the census goes, that didn't actually happen. it makes for a nice story, but it doesn't have any support in what (admittedly limited) records we have. and any potentate can fit in that narrative. didn't even have to be Caesar. might as well have been Herod the Great. or some later (theoretical) Ptolemaic or Seleucid hanger on in this alternate history.
 
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