An ally helps me but i didn't asked for it

[IITonicII]

Hi,

There is something weird in my game (1.23.1, all DLCs)

I have vassalized Brandenbourg as Nassau, but as Pomerania was in war with Brandenbourg, i have entered in war against Pomerania as the main belligerant (defense).

Then, the weird things began.

At first, after some months winning the war, an event told me "you have accepted white peace". Wait, what ? I didn't accepted anything.

So i've reloaded a save. But this time, being at war against Pomerania through the same process,, i've noticed that my ally (Polland, which is not a great power - and never been - and not allied to another belligerant than me), entered in war by my side, but i didn't asked for it. No events, i've just seen it. How ?


Is it a bug or something ?

 

[Ironside121]

They used "Enforce Peace".

The first time, Pomerania accepted, forcing them into a peace with you. The second time they didn't, so Poland intervened in the war.

 

[Kastomoño]

When you vassalized Brandenburg you became the primary target in the war between Pomerania and Brandenburg and counted it as you being attacked. You always call in allies when attacked, which includes the war you inherited.

 

[atwix]

no, allies would have to be called IN manually for force vassalisation inherit war, which he didn't.

my bet is he enforced peace and second time ai refused.

 

[IITonicII]

Thanks !

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I find the idea that a 3rd party can end the war against the wishes of either belligerent with no option against it to be extremely distasteful. Thankfully it's rare.

Wars don't end just because one side thinks it's over. Wars end when both sides think it's over, typically when the loser is "persuaded by force".

 

[bradles0]

that's why enforce peace requires +100 relations with the aggressor.

I have used it to end wars that my friends are winning too though. (when i'm HREing). I think it should require the person on whom you're enforcing peace to be losing the war

 

[TheMeInTeam]

that's why enforce peace requires +100 relations with the aggressor.

I have used it to end wars that my friends are winning too though. (when i'm HREing). I think it should require the person on whom you're enforcing peace to be losing the war

My point is that a defender who is winning a war should be able to have a say about whether the war actually ends.

 

[Incompetent]

My point is that a defender who is winning a war should be able to have a say about whether the war actually ends.

When you phrase it this way, it does sound like a bit of a dirty trick: you could be in a situation where you actually sympathize with the attacker, and as soon as the defender makes a comeback, you force pizza down their throat and buy the attacker another 5 years to try again. It seems especially abusable in MP, where a human attacker losing a war against a human defender would gladly take the get out of jail free card of getting 'enforced' on by a third player.

 

[IITonicII]

My point is that a defender who is winning a war should be able to have a say about whether the war actually ends.

In Wiki, it says you can't enforce peace if the attacker has -25% or less in warscore.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

In Wiki, it says you can't enforce peace if the attacker has -25% or less in warscore.

Correct, but there are plenty of times a war goes south for the attacker prior to defender gaining 25% war score.

Picture the scenario where early in a conquest war the attacker gets stack wiped. The war score from battles is limited, and as the defender begins to siege the capital someone "enforces peace" on the attacker, instantly ending the war. The defender gets nothing for victory and the attacker is bailed out with no recourse for the defender (in fact the defender gets a forced truce despite never agreeing to stop the war or choose any diplomatic option).

Right now, this is a valid sequence of events in the game and is WAD, and that's pretty iffy. And yes in human - human alliances you can use it to perma-truce (IE BYZ attacks Ottomans out of truce then Islamic player enforces peace constantly to buy as much time as needed).

 

[TheChrisD]

Maybe instead of enforcing white peace, it should instead enforce unconditional surrender.