Amerindian space tribes

[HRErceg]

Was playing a game as England, started colonising the NA shore, had some wars in Europe, wasn't paying much attention but then... I look at NA after 15 years and all the tribes close to the East coast are now feudal duchies? What? So they sucked up thousands of years of knowledge, started using horses like they were born with them, cannons too in 15 years? I mean, I understand that there should be a way for cry baby players who want to do a world conquest with Mikmaq to do it, but this is bullshit, i wanted to take it easy and spread around the new world battling old world powers, not the new world ones.

And what is worse, these tribes aren't behind me in tech, how are they the same tech as me? I was tech 9 and they were 4, now i am 12 and they are 11. This is pure bullshit, if i go to the US war for independence start you'll see the tribes at tech 4, but heeey, this is veeery plausible just so some world conquest peeps don't cry about OP Europe

 

[makaramus]

well tribes did trade firearms with european powers (see:Beaver wars) so artillary is possible too if they wanted too

 

[Parapluman]

Does it really matter? They should still be no match for a European powerhouse like England.

 

[dynalon]

I try to avoid discussions about historical accuracy and the likes, but from a gameplay perspective... I'm not sure if OPMs (or 2-3PMs) with comparable or slightly inferior tech level are more than a roadbump for any European colonizer.

That aside, it's currently possible for nations in every corner of the world to catch up / keep up in institutions if they put their mind to it. The American tribes even have it harder than any other part of the world since they need an advanced neighbor to get out of primitive status.

 

[KubiG37]

Does it really matter? They should still be no match for a European powerhouse like England.

Yes it does matter, but for different reason - AI. Have you ever read some mid-game peace treaties between AI colonies and the natives? 4/5 time the colonies are kicked out and raped by the natives... They declare war on them, call their mighty overlord, but he never shows . And Colony is doomed, despite being often 3 times as large as the natives. (another AI fail)

 

[ElGranCapitan]

From a gameplay perspective - let them reform

Yeah they gain a few techs but you'll still stackwipe them and reforming disables the annoying federations which always lead to you being unable annex them because they are in a federation with someone you can't see

 

[HRErceg]

It's the concept of having to fight with feudal duchies of the animist faith who are extremely willing to adopt foreign ideas, there should be downsides like massive revolts and a disaster for.. Hm, trying to reform not just the political system but the whole society according to a culture which they just heard of.

 

[Kapi96]

cry baby players

Soo.... what do you call people who make threads like this?

 

[makaramus]

Yes it does matter, but for different reason - AI. Have you ever read some mid-game peace treaties between AI colonies and the natives? 4/5 time the colonies are kicked out and raped by the natives... They declare war on them, call their mighty overlord, but he never shows . And Colony is doomed, despite being often 3 times as large as the natives. (another AI fail)

as I know colonies CANT call their overlord to war... colonial wars for them are independent and this got huge reason so huge and blue it takes long time to solve: ATLANTIC OCEAN
As you see... it takes time to reach news of you need help aganist tribes when you are at mexico and your overlord is at madrid

 

[Sharples88]

My only problem with them becoming a Duchy is that it breaks the search for seven cities button. Your units will magically stop dead in their tracks should they try to enter and not continue exploring.

 

[Zaddy]

oh nooooooo these three province minors in the new world kinda-sorta caught up in tech to me what ever will I do as a european major this is so unfair : ((((((((((

seriously though maybe this game isn't for you

 

[magni.]

It's the concept of having to fight with feudal duchies of the animist faith who are extremely willing to adopt foreign ideas, there should be downsides like massive revolts and a disaster for.. Hm, trying to reform not just the political system but the whole society according to a culture which they just heard of.

there is, it's called Rapid Collapse of Society
and it give -10discipline and -33% morale

but it does go away if u don't kill them fast enough

 

[bradles0]

Yes it does matter, but for different reason - AI. Have you ever read some mid-game peace treaties between AI colonies and the natives? 4/5 time the colonies are kicked out and raped by the natives... They declare war on them, call their mighty overlord, but he never shows . And Colony is doomed, despite being often 3 times as large as the natives. (another AI fail)

Actually when natives attack colonial nations it doesn't call the overlord into the war. Overlords can use enforce peace to hop in, but that gives the tribe a chance to just end the war and then come back later.

Best strat as a native is to let a colonial nation form, and then attack it while it only has 5 provinces and no troops, and full annex it so they lose all their cores. Rinse and repeat until europe has finished colonizing for you

If you don't full annex and leave the CN with cores, big daddy overlord is gonna declare a reconquest on you, and that never ends well.

 

[KubiG37]

as I know colonies CANT call their overlord to war... colonial wars for them are independent and this got huge reason so huge and blue it takes long time to solve: ATLANTIC OCEAN
As you see... it takes time to reach news of you need help aganist tribes when you are at mexico and your overlord is at madrid

Right, I forgot that (my fail )
But still I often watch my own colonies hopelessly loose wars against natives that should have been won 99% in 5 minutes, for some reason colonial AIs always look so much more dumb than regular nation AIs.

 

[KubiG37]

Actually when natives attack colonial nations it doesn't call the overlord into the war. Overlords can use enforce peace to hop in, but that gives the tribe a chance to just end the war and then come back later.

Best strat as a native is to let a colonial nation form, and then attack it while it only has 5 provinces and no troops, and full annex it so they lose all their cores. Rinse and repeat until europe has finished colonizing for you

If you don't full annex and leave the CN with cores, big daddy overlord is gonna declare a reconquest on you, and that never ends well.

Unless It's the AI Day! - and for over a year no one shows up at all , then it sends 5k troops without general, one more year of nothing... peace treaty! - Would you like war reparations from Spain?? Yes!!

 

[TenshiN]

So much butthurt over weaksauce OPM's with one or two same weaksauce allies with worthless provinces that you will roflstomp in a few months anyway

 

[makaramus]

Right, I forgot that (my fail )
But still I often watch my own colonies hopelessly loose wars against natives that should have been won 99% in 5 minutes, for some reason colonial AIs always look so much more dumb than regular nation AIs.

use reconquest casus belli and crush them then