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Shouldn't the decision to form the USA change the primary culture of your country to American? Possibly it should change provinces to American as well- how do provinces convert to American in the first place?
 

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That would be problematic since american is in the british culture group. A dutch CN forming the USA would then change its culture group for no reason.
This can be solved by giving English/Scottish cultured America a different decision to form the USA (Generic Form America decision is conditional on culture = NOT British culture group while decision to form "historical" America is conditional on culture = British culture group)- as it stands now, America can't be American without starting at the 1776 date.
 

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This can be solved by giving English/Scottish cultured America a different decision to form the USA (Generic Form America decision is conditional on culture = NOT British culture group while decision to form "historical" America is conditional on culture = British culture group)- as it stands now, America can't be American without starting at the 1776 date.

I thought at least englisch provinces a random chance flip in america.
 

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English cultured provinces have a chance to flip to American.

I don't see why American Culture should be railroaded any further, as the American culture was a gradual thing that started the moment the colonies were founded. Americans did not all of a sudden become American once the USA rebelled and declared independence.
 

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English cultured provinces have a chance to flip to American.

I don't see why American Culture should be railroaded any further, as the American culture was a gradual thing that started the moment the colonies were founded. Americans did not all of a sudden become American once the USA rebelled and declared independence.
Why, when the cultures flip to American, should American not be the primary culture for a USA created from the Thirteen Colonies? It nonsensical to have to change your capital to an American cultured province and take a prestige hit just so you can actually be an American America.
 

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Why, when the cultures flip to American, should American not be the primary culture for a USA created from the Thirteen Colonies? It nonsensical to have to change your capital to an American cultured province and take a prestige hit just so you can actually be an American America.

Simply because for gameplay reasons American is in the British Culture group.

If it was not, then American colonies would not be accepted by the British Culture group and cause problems associated with that.

If American was the dominate culture then you have a point, but if it is not, then you don't.
 

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It would be pointless for America to stay English, though. They would need to constantly reconvert provinces back to English culture- it wouldn't make sense for Thirteen Colonies America to stay English.
 

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I'm pretty sure that the American culture was added before colonial nations existed, back when nations like USA would come about via revolts. It's basically an obsolete mechanic as of CoP.
 

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I'm pretty sure that the American culture was added before colonial nations existed, back when nations like USA would come about via revolts. It's basically an obsolete mechanic as of CoP.
Pretty much. It doesn't work with colonial nations, and only makes sense with English colonization. Unless the devs want to dramatically expand colonial cultures and have them be dynamically generated based on colonizer, there's just no reason for American to exist in the game anymore.
 

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On the one hand, American should really be assigned to the cultural group of the CN when the CN forms the USA.

On the other hand, some other former CNs (Mexico, Brazil, Canada, etc..) should also receive cultures that get dynamically assigned a culture group based on the original culture of the CN.

This doesn't sound like it would be particularly hard to code, but I obviously don't have access to the back end.
 

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It would be pointless for America to stay English, though. They would need to constantly reconvert provinces back to English culture- it wouldn't make sense for Thirteen Colonies America to stay English.

Its ion the same culture group, so no penalties.

On the one hand, American should really be assigned to the cultural group of the CN when the CN forms the USA.

On the other hand, some other former CNs (Mexico, Brazil, Canada, etc..) should also receive cultures that get dynamically assigned a culture group based on the original culture of the CN.

This doesn't sound like it would be particularly hard to code, but I obviously don't have access to the back end.

Indeed, and I wasn't attacking the idea itself because there is a good solid argument. What I was attacking [for want of a better word] was the forced culture flip of a CN.... What if the Thirteen Colonies was founded by France for example, should they instantly be American because it was formed in the Thirteen Colonies CN area?
 

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Its ion the same culture group, so no penalties.



Indeed, and I wasn't attacking the idea itself because there is a good solid argument. What I was attacking [for want of a better word] was the forced culture flip of a CN.... What if the Thirteen Colonies was founded by France for example, should they instantly be American because it was formed in the Thirteen Colonies CN area?

They should be American, Brazilian, Wtf@ckian, after they culture flip / form the nation in question. What they shouldn't be is in a default cultural union, but become part of the cultural union of the colonizing nation. Well, that is my opinion at least.
 

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English cultured provinces have a chance to flip to American.

I don't see why American Culture should be railroaded any further, as the American culture was a gradual thing that started the moment the colonies were founded. Americans did not all of a sudden become American once the USA rebelled and declared independence.
Yes we did.

We wrote the declaration of independence then Jesus swooped down on a bald eagle and killed a Nazi and we became the American world superpower.
 

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Yes we did.

We wrote the declaration of independence then Jesus swooped down on a bald eagle and killed a Nazi and we became the American world superpower.

I thought the world started when America was created, I thought there was no declaration of independence and that it was always N#1 and everything else was commie propaganda.
 

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American culture came along after the War of Independence. If you could ask a soldier of each colony in 1776 what country they were fighting for you would get 13 different answers.