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I couldn't make it!... I'll try to be earlier tonight so we can arrange tactics and strategies against the evil heretic alliance 
Guys,
These are the indemnities im gonna ask for having my sub reassigned:
1) My army maintenance was at full and I paid an extra 27.5 ducats per month for it: 27.5*12*14 + (27.5*4 this is because the game ends in april and not january)= 4730 ducats
Guys I need to know if the monthly maintenance includes the penalty for being above the support limit? Because if not i'll have to add that in as well.
2) The treasury slider was set at -0.3 inflation per month even tho inflation was 0. This means that I ended up only earning 1.2 ducats per month instead of 4.4 if it had been set at 0. Therefore i should be given 3.2*12*14+(3.2*4 once again because the latest save ends in april not jan)= 550 ducats
3) The Stupid AI ended up losing 252 of my cannon and 26k of infantry, id like these troops to be reinstated. In addition it built up 49k cav at 16D which = 784 ducats which id like converted to 196 cannon at 40 ducats/10.
4) The AI used a less than optimal research technique. I think that had I been there I would have leveled up in infra so id like infra level 8.
Therefore in total im asking for 5280 ducats, having my inf and art increased back to previous numbers having cav reduced by 49k and increasing art by 196 cannons. In addition Id like infra to be made level 8 and dp clicks.
These are the indemnities im gonna ask for having my sub reassigned:
1) My army maintenance was at full and I paid an extra 27.5 ducats per month for it: 27.5*12*14 + (27.5*4 this is because the game ends in april and not january)= 4730 ducats
Guys I need to know if the monthly maintenance includes the penalty for being above the support limit? Because if not i'll have to add that in as well.
2) The treasury slider was set at -0.3 inflation per month even tho inflation was 0. This means that I ended up only earning 1.2 ducats per month instead of 4.4 if it had been set at 0. Therefore i should be given 3.2*12*14+(3.2*4 once again because the latest save ends in april not jan)= 550 ducats
3) The Stupid AI ended up losing 252 of my cannon and 26k of infantry, id like these troops to be reinstated. In addition it built up 49k cav at 16D which = 784 ducats which id like converted to 196 cannon at 40 ducats/10.
4) The AI used a less than optimal research technique. I think that had I been there I would have leveled up in infra so id like infra level 8.
Therefore in total im asking for 5280 ducats, having my inf and art increased back to previous numbers having cav reduced by 49k and increasing art by 196 cannons. In addition Id like infra to be made level 8 and dp clicks.
Most of that sounds reasonable. However, one thing the calculations doesn't take into account: the likelihood that Prussia would have been at war and suffered casualties had it been played by a human. As an AI, it was off limits.
So I'd suggest that, other than modifying force composition for the building of cav. instead of art., you should take the current troop levels and consider yourself fortunate.
Indeed, you are kind of the 300 lb gorilla of the moment, since everyone else has been buried in a war for the last several years.
So I'd suggest that, other than modifying force composition for the building of cav. instead of art., you should take the current troop levels and consider yourself fortunate.
Indeed, you are kind of the 300 lb gorilla of the moment, since everyone else has been buried in a war for the last several years.
I'm fully agree with this.... for the record, those indemnities approved except the ones about troops.. also, it's gonna be one DP click and with a -1stab.. so what DP click?DSYoungEsq said:Most of that sounds reasonable. However, one thing the calculations doesn't take into account: the likelihood that Prussia would have been at war and suffered casualties had it been played by a human. As an AI, it was off limits.
So I'd suggest that, other than modifying force composition for the building of cav. instead of art., you should take the current troop levels and consider yourself fortunate.
But guys we have to take into account that had I been around for the current war the entire tactical situation would be totally different. As much pounding as I would have taken my opponents would also have been weaker because of the resources they expended pounding me rather than having an easier time against my allies. So I think it works out that way. Plus my troops were lost because of AI incompetence. I think I should be recompensated. I mean for godsake I lost 250 cannon and it wasnt even in war! Thats half my cannon guys!
Guys,
these are the clicks Id like 1 towards centralisation and 3 towards aristocracy.
these are the clicks Id like 1 towards centralisation and 3 towards aristocracy.
Now Prussia asked for some edits,as Spain, what is the deal for being AIed for last session? My demands are +2 DP for land and quality + 4000d
Oh and please edit prussia back to me as well. Also Id like to trade 2000 ducats of my compensation for a construction centre in Bremen.
Wait I only get 1 dp click? Shouldnt it be 2. Plus the AI has changed dp settings. So if we assume I have 2 clicks and the AI has made the wrong move for each one then I need to clicks back to normal and then 2 clicks of my choice. This would be 1 towards centra and aristo and then 2 more towards aristo.
Oh id also like all my troops concentrated in 3 or 4 armies stationed in provinces which can support the number of troops in that army. Also when my troops are reorganised id prefer it if my forces in the colonies were transfered to the homeland. Thanks.
Ok Cakravarti I know that you should get indemnization for last session, but there's hve to be a limit here, so here it is:
Edits Approved:
To Prussia:
- 1) My army maintenance was at full and I paid an extra 27.5 ducats per month for it: 27.5*12*14 + (27.5*4 this is because the game ends in april and not january)= 4730 ducats
2) The treasury slider was set at -0.3 inflation per month even tho inflation was 0. This means that I ended up only earning 1.2 ducats per month instead of 4.4 if it had been set at 0. Therefore i should be given 3.2*12*14+(3.2*4 once again because the latest save ends in april not jan)= 550 ducats
4) The AI used a less than optimal research technique. I think that had I been there I would have leveled up in infra so id like infra level 8.
- DP: +centralization and +aristocracy (AI doesn't change DPs, maybe the country got events)
- Prussia prov transfered from Sweden to Prussia as it was asked before last session
To Spain:
- DP: +land and +quality
no money since the country was AIed because the player couldn't get a sub, a different case than Prussia.
Edits Approved:
To Prussia:
- 1) My army maintenance was at full and I paid an extra 27.5 ducats per month for it: 27.5*12*14 + (27.5*4 this is because the game ends in april and not january)= 4730 ducats
2) The treasury slider was set at -0.3 inflation per month even tho inflation was 0. This means that I ended up only earning 1.2 ducats per month instead of 4.4 if it had been set at 0. Therefore i should be given 3.2*12*14+(3.2*4 once again because the latest save ends in april not jan)= 550 ducats
4) The AI used a less than optimal research technique. I think that had I been there I would have leveled up in infra so id like infra level 8.
- DP: +centralization and +aristocracy (AI doesn't change DPs, maybe the country got events)
- Prussia prov transfered from Sweden to Prussia as it was asked before last session
To Spain:
- DP: +land and +quality
no money since the country was AIed because the player couldn't get a sub, a different case than Prussia.
TG,
As discussed, I'm doing the recommended edits for Spain.
For Prussia, however, Cak needs his head examined.
A. The money pumped into supply would come primarily out of investment, since the AI expends census, of which Prussia gets very little, on merchants. Therefore, if you want 4K for it you're taking 4K worth of inflation. Also, I'm not convinced that's what the number ought to be anyway.
B. Infra 8? That's a joke. See above. You don't get both minted cash and investment.
C. You want CCs, build them yourself. And if you want your army organized, organize it yourself.
D. It's one DP click.
E. If Prussia sided with the Ottomans, I would've taken it out first with Suvorov while fighting defensively against the Turks. So if you want to simulate the effect of your presence, I'll edit five provinces from Prussia to Russia and delete your armies.
F. If Prussia sided with Russia, the war in the west would probably be over. However, I'm willing to forego that edit.
Therefore, I propose, and am doing right now, the following edits for Prussia:
1. 1000 ducats.
2. A click toward centra (or aristocracy, as you like).
There'd be more if Prussia had more to lose, but without a fleet, colonies, major economy, etc., the damage the AI did was minimal.
As discussed, I'm doing the recommended edits for Spain.
For Prussia, however, Cak needs his head examined.
A. The money pumped into supply would come primarily out of investment, since the AI expends census, of which Prussia gets very little, on merchants. Therefore, if you want 4K for it you're taking 4K worth of inflation. Also, I'm not convinced that's what the number ought to be anyway.
B. Infra 8? That's a joke. See above. You don't get both minted cash and investment.
C. You want CCs, build them yourself. And if you want your army organized, organize it yourself.
D. It's one DP click.
E. If Prussia sided with the Ottomans, I would've taken it out first with Suvorov while fighting defensively against the Turks. So if you want to simulate the effect of your presence, I'll edit five provinces from Prussia to Russia and delete your armies.
F. If Prussia sided with Russia, the war in the west would probably be over. However, I'm willing to forego that edit.
Therefore, I propose, and am doing right now, the following edits for Prussia:
1. 1000 ducats.
2. A click toward centra (or aristocracy, as you like).
There'd be more if Prussia had more to lose, but without a fleet, colonies, major economy, etc., the damage the AI did was minimal.
Well, I have been told that Spain is gonna be taken by John.. as it was said a few days ago.. sorry FrankFranK XIV said:Ok then, even I am hosting? Bah.... wtv I tried.
... but be online cause perhaps someone will be late thanks
alot of editing it seems... we don't do edits on such a scale in vicky MP.
since i made the offer before, i'll pop into vnet early, see if anyone is unexpectedly absent/late, in need of someone to mind the store as it were.
since i made the offer before, i'll pop into vnet early, see if anyone is unexpectedly absent/late, in need of someone to mind the store as it were.
the_genius said:thanks Gaius
well, the session was anything but boring. i can see why your other sub fled for his life right early...
i've never quite lost 4 wars in one session before... if you guys might have time, i'd be interested in hearing about the best strategies of late-game warfare. i'm particularly interested in cannons. while i was not really outnumbered a whole lot in many of my battles, i found that HG's army always tended to be cannon-heavy. In vicky, stacks of divisions with artillery brigades can be quite lethal, if slow moving. seems to be a similar lethality with cannons in EU2 (i've never really used cannons much in SP, and i've played very little MP).
for anyone following the after-game chat in vnet, and interested in giving vicky MP a go sometime, the address of the vicky MP forum is http://bloodandiron.invisionplus.net . We have space for hosting of non-vicky MP games as well