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DSYoungEsq said:
Count Von Wallenstein, Von Mercy, Von Hadzfeldt, and an Italian by the name of Montecuccioli.


Sadly, they are all about 4,4,4,1. Nothing like the over-rated Swedish leaders that carry inflated stats to make their hurt national pride over never being much of a real power in Europe feel better.... :D

Actually GA II was not really overrated, he was perhaps one of the most influential and innovative generals in all of history. Among other things, he pioneered the idea of a professional army (before, European armies were mostly noble cavalry, with supporting levies, and mercenary adjuncts). He introduced 20 (!) year mandantory conscription for all males, who were well rewarded after service, all veterans were given land from the crown after completion. He reorganized the army, attaching artillery in batteries to cavalry and infantry regiments, who worked together with clockwork precision and teamwork. The whole modern concept of 'combined arms' had its genesis with Gustav. If this weren't enough, he was the originator of the concept of 'volley fire', prior to this musket troops fired at random as fast as they could load. He also was the first to use the serried ranks where one rank would fire, then kneel to reload while the other advanced and shot, etc. etc.

If this weren't enough, he was a valiant and charismatic leader, arguably too valiant as he was killed personally leading a cavalry charge at the very center of the Austrian ranks. But even after his death, the Swedish Army was so disciplined, that they fought on as if nothing happened and won the field without their King.
 

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I believe that Soliman and Napo had more influence in their countries as generals than Suvorov.... at least that's what I think..
 

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In London, we feel that the treaty proposed by Berlin is fair enough as the war has developed... so we advised the honorable Archduke to accept it in order to return to peace in center europe...
 

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I believe that Soliman and Napo had more influence in their countries as generals than Suvorov.... at least that's what I think..

Definitely true, its just Suvorov is my personal idea of everything you would want in a general, including humility and the unquestioned respect and loyalty from his men: he would live in the same tents and eat the same food as his soldiers. His men knew he would never spend their lives needlessly and so obeyed his every order without question. Also, 83-0? That's a pretty good record in battles. :) Plus I'm playing Russia, our general is of course better than any pansy Englishman wearing a wig and strutting around like a game rooster.
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In London, we feel that the treaty proposed by Berlin is fair enough as the war has developed... so we advised the honorable Archduke to accept it in order to return to peace in center europe...

Berlin appreciates London's endorsement of our treaty.... :)

However, I would hope this treaty (if ratified by the Archduke) "returns" us to nothing - but, rather, ushers in a new era of Prosperity between the German nations. A return to the way things were is simply a return to a German cold war.


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Elijah said:
any pansy Englishman wearing a wig and strutting around like a game rooster.
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LOL.... well yeah.. but those englishman look more elegant ;) :rofl:
 

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the_genius said:
Our most Honorable King, wishes to know how the negotiations between our two great German friends are...

DS has yet to respond - even tho the forum has been down the past day or 2 (the post has been up for several days)


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DS has yet to respond - even tho the forum has been down the past day or 2 (the post has been up for several days)
hmm... England and I request a response of the Honorable Archduke to the Peace Proposal, since this conflict has touched two realms considered friends of London... that is why our interested in encouraging a peace agreement.. and on the same term, we ask the mighty Sultan to consider advise his neighbour in Vienna...


signed,

Charles II Stuart
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As England is concerned about the lack of communication with our channel neighbour, we'd like to point out that His Majesty of France, should check his PMs on ICQ.. thank you ;)...
 

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A short AAr from the recent match between Argentina and Brazil watched at the stadium...

Well It has been an unforgettable night, an amazing first half! Argentina was teaching lessons of how to play football to our neighbours... poor cafu, he felt asleep in the first long pass to crespo and allowed him to have a one on one against dida who couldn’t stop the powerful shot of hernan crespo.

This happened in the first five minutes, while we were singing "a estos pu@!s les tenemos que ganar... a estos pu@!s les tenemos que ganar..." and so on... The goal came and all of us became crazy, and as everyone believes in the magic of songs, the song of the goal was singed for a couple of minutes more... The main problem was that a lot of people were old ones who doesn’t have the passion of jumping, singing and shouting “bouldshit” to the referee and the Brazilians, so songs stopped for a while...

After the first goal we were excepting some offensive reaction from Brazil, but there was none... Argentina kept pressing with "Riquelme" as the owner of the ball, and suddenly he made a shot from long distance and with the wrong foot, which Dida couldn’t stop granting the Argentinean team with the second score!

At riquelme´s goal people could not believe what their eyes were watching... the stadium became a madhouse

Ronaldihinio and kaka couldn’t manage to beat mascherano and sorin in the field, and were unable to play the jogo bonito... Finally after more offensive movements from Argentina, crespo scored the third goal with the head right in front of Dida...

The first half ended and Argentina was beating hard Brazil, it was a long time no one saw our team playing that way, running back and front, going from defensive to offensive stance so quickly, and wining 3 - 0 against the champion of the world...

The second half was owned by Brazil, they showed to have a much higher stamina than us, but stamina is no enough to win a match... ronaldhinio and kaka started to play better and the demonstrated that Brazil is still a great team... but this time Argentina was better and won the match.
 

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The Margrave would like to point out to all European Powers that we in Berlin have been trying to secure peace, yet our continued lack of results is not the fault of Brandenburg's. We had posted our desired treaty last week - yet we still hear nothing from the archduke. While I am aware that this is a conflict involving a select few nations, I would like to ask any countries not involved, yet interested in peace in Germany, to please contact your diplomats in vienna - and to urge the Archduke atleast look at our proposed peace.
 

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I, PfalzGraf Jüng, sometime prime minister to the Arch-Dukes of Austria, come now with a message for the crowned heads of Europe:

First, the official response from Ferdinand Habsburg, Arch-Duke of Austria, etc., to the proposal received from the Markgraf Brandenburg for peace:

"Austria rejects this outrageous peace proposal utterly. Our troops are preparing for swift response to the unwarranted aggression by the heretic forces of Brandenburg and Sweden, whose true colors we now see. Gustav Adolf will not last long under the onslaught of our commanders and our Holy troops!"

Now, I must apologize as to the delay in bringing you this message. However, I believe the rulers of Europe should know that not all the Arch-Dukes of Austria support the zealous approach of Ferdinand to Catholic-Protestant relations. There are a substantial number of members of the family who believe that tolerance of religious dissent is the only way to a strong Christian society, especially given that the infidel Turks remain unmolested in their strongholds and in control of the Holy Land. These family members understand the Markgraf's unhappiness over the bold grab of Magdeburg and Sachsen, and would prefer to assuage his pique rather than play a game of tit-for-tat.

Indeed, this message has been delayed in large part because there rages in Wien and in Wiener Neustadt a fierce battle for control of the foreign policy of the state. It is quite unclear, I am afraid, exactly who will win this battle.

So, as the titular Prime Minister, and with the blessing of a majority of a rump meeting of the ruling nobles, I would like to see if some agreement can be reached that will be acceptable to those who would tip the balance in the battle for control. Specifically, I offer two options:

1. Austria accepts the proposed peace resolution of three provinces ceded to Brandenburg, in which case, I should advise that no lasting agreement will be forthcoming regarding future aggression between the two powers, as the yielding of Silesia, however reasonable in light of its religious tendencies, will be seen as requiring a future effort to regain the patrimony of the Bohemian realm.

2. Austria could offer instead the return of the wrongly taken provinces of Magdeburg and Sachsen, plus a payment of indemnity in the amount of 750 ducats, and a binding agreement between Austria and Brandenburg not to attack each other for a period of not less than 100 years. In addition, Austria would guarantee the religious freedom of the provinces of Silesia, Bohemia and Mainz, making no effort to convert said provinces to the practice of Catholicism as set forth by the Papacy.

To the Markgraf, I offer the hope that he can understand the delicate nature of the present situation. An insistence by our neighbors to the north on taking lands more than those taken from him in the prior war will most certainly strengthen the hands of Ferdinand and the Catholic reactionaries. I can forseen in such circumstance nothing but endless war, back and forth, to the detriment of both our nations, though I remain confident such a cycle would eventually work to the favor of the Habsburgs. By the same token, a patient and tolerant approach from the Markgraf would most likely result in the removal of Ferdinand from day-to-day control of affairs of state and allow for a rapproachment of our two countries.

I await the answer of Brandenburg. Once again, my apologies for the unsettled nature of Austrian affairs.
 

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delosandes said:
A short AAr from the recent match between Argentina and Brazil watched at the stadium...

Well It has been an unforgettable night, an amazing first half! Argentina was teaching lessons of how to play football to our neighbours... poor cafu, he felt asleep in the first long pass to crespo and allowed him to have a one on one against dida who couldn’t stop the powerful shot of hernan crespo.

This happened in the first five minutes, while we were singing "a estos pu@!s les tenemos que ganar... a estos pu@!s les tenemos que ganar..." and so on... The goal came and all of us became crazy, and as everyone believes in the magic of songs, the song of the goal was singed for a couple of minutes more... The main problem was that a lot of people were old ones who doesn’t have the passion of jumping, singing and shouting “bouldshit” to the referee and the Brazilians, so songs stopped for a while...

After the first goal we were excepting some offensive reaction from Brazil, but there was none... Argentina kept pressing with "Riquelme" as the owner of the ball, and suddenly he made a shot from long distance and with the wrong foot, which Dida couldn’t stop granting the Argentinean team with the second score!

At riquelme´s goal people could not believe what their eyes were watching... the stadium became a madhouse

Ronaldihinio and kaka couldn’t manage to beat mascherano and sorin in the field, and were unable to play the jogo bonito... Finally after more offensive movements from Argentina, crespo scored the third goal with the head right in front of Dida...

The first half ended and Argentina was beating hard Brazil, it was a long time no one saw our team playing that way, running back and front, going from defensive to offensive stance so quickly, and wining 3 - 0 against the champion of the world...

The second half was owned by Brazil, they showed to have a much higher stamina than us, but stamina is no enough to win a match... ronaldhinio and kaka started to play better and the demonstrated that Brazil is still a great team... but this time Argentina was better and won the match.

Despite the nationalist feeling and the "putos" thing, it was a very good description of what happened in the game. The first half was totaly Argetinian while the second half was a bit more balanced. IN the first half Brazil was un-recognizable while Argentina played unbelivable well. Really, I've never seen a team so compact and with will of winning for a long time.

Nuestros hermanos faced the match like it was the last of the world while the stupid Brazilian players though that with the place in Germany secured, Brazil vs Argentina would be just a friendly match: Brazil vs Argentina is never friendly!!

About Stamina I disagree too. The second half Brazil run more just because it didnt do anything in the first half.
 

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I, PfalzGraf Jüng, sometime prime minister to the Arch-Dukes of Austria, come now with a message for the crowned heads of Europe:

First, the official response from Ferdinand Habsburg, Arch-Duke of Austria, etc., to the proposal received from the Markgraf Brandenburg for peace:

"Austria rejects this outrageous peace proposal utterly. Our troops are preparing for swift response to the unwarranted aggression by the heretic forces of Brandenburg and Sweden, whose true colors we now see. Gustav Adolf will not last long under the onslaught of our commanders and our Holy troops!"

Now, I must apologize as to the delay in bringing you this message. However, I believe the rulers of Europe should know that not all the Arch-Dukes of Austria support the zealous approach of Ferdinand to Catholic-Protestant relations. There are a substantial number of members of the family who believe that tolerance of religious dissent is the only way to a strong Christian society, especially given that the infidel Turks remain unmolested in their strongholds and in control of the Holy Land. These family members understand the Markgraf's unhappiness over the bold grab of Magdeburg and Sachsen, and would prefer to assuage his pique rather than play a game of tit-for-tat.

Indeed, this message has been delayed in large part because there rages in Wien and in Wiener Neustadt a fierce battle for control of the foreign policy of the state. It is quite unclear, I am afraid, exactly who will win this battle.

So, as the titular Prime Minister, and with the blessing of a majority of a rump meeting of the ruling nobles, I would like to see if some agreement can be reached that will be acceptable to those who would tip the balance in the battle for control. Specifically, I offer two options:

1. Austria accepts the proposed peace resolution of three provinces ceded to Brandenburg, in which case, I should advise that no lasting agreement will be forthcoming regarding future aggression between the two powers, as the yielding of Silesia, however reasonable in light of its religious tendencies, will be seen as requiring a future effort to regain the patrimony of the Bohemian realm.

2. Austria could offer instead the return of the wrongly taken provinces of Magdeburg and Sachsen, plus a payment of indemnity in the amount of 750 ducats, and a binding agreement between Austria and Brandenburg not to attack each other for a period of not less than 100 years. In addition, Austria would guarantee the religious freedom of the provinces of Silesia, Bohemia and Mainz, making no effort to convert said provinces to the practice of Catholicism as set forth by the Papacy.

To the Markgraf, I offer the hope that he can understand the delicate nature of the present situation. An insistence by our neighbors to the north on taking lands more than those taken from him in the prior war will most certainly strengthen the hands of Ferdinand and the Catholic reactionaries. I can forseen in such circumstance nothing but endless war, back and forth, to the detriment of both our nations, though I remain confident such a cycle would eventually work to the favor of the Habsburgs. By the same token, a patient and tolerant approach from the Markgraf would most likely result in the removal of Ferdinand from day-to-day control of affairs of state and allow for a rapproachment of our two countries.

I await the answer of Brandenburg. Once again, my apologies for the unsettled nature of Austrian affairs.

It is regretable that the Archduke has declined the offer which we in Berlin have proposed. It is only further regretable that the Archduke has waited so long to reply. Countless (well, u could actually count them if you wanted to) days have been wasted, it which we could have negotiated - especially if the peace proosed by Berlin was to the archdukes great disliking.

Berlin is not opposed to the counter offer of Vienna's (yet, this is not an endorsement). However particular aspects should be further negotiated. Further more, we must still inform our ally, the King of Sweden, of any advances made towards peace.

We do appreciate what appears to be the Archduke's willingness to secure Christian harmony - but, while you preach the tolerance of Christians of other sects , in the same paragraph you chastise what has been your loyal ally, the Ottoman Sultan, and their "unmolested" hold of the Holy land. It is the Margrave's opinion that as long as the christian minority in Jerusalem remains unmolested by the muslim majority - then so should the Turks hold of Jerusalem.


* We look foward to establishing dialogue via ICQ with the archduke.