Well, I think that those leaders are important and significant to the game, due to the fact that they are somekind of balance of other leaders of their time (Suvorov, Nappy, etc)Javier (Pibe) said:
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I'm assuming that there's some sort of cap on the rank though, right? It would look odd to have multiple Monarch leaders running around.
When do you need the decision on how to split the 40 remaining leaders into land & naval?
EDIT: Or do you want a number between zero and forty on how many extra leaders everyone should get?
-Mark
When do you need the decision on how to split the 40 remaining leaders into land & naval?
EDIT: Or do you want a number between zero and forty on how many extra leaders everyone should get?
-Mark
No, I believe that number is ok, so I will need you to give a number to decide how many generals and admirals.Mark Dey said:
I decided to let the number for conquistadors and explorers as it is as default in the program: 5 and 5.
I wont complain against these (Poland not becoming Prussia) but I’m worried about the historical monarchs of Poland (and of the crapy leaders I get while my neighbours have better, so blucher and frederick should come), it seems that after 1795 there aren’t any more polish monarchs so I would suggest that the last 3 Prussian monarchs take over the country...
Well, there are quite a number of countries that can complain also about their monarchs (i.e. OE, Spain), but at the end they are not that fundamental, also, if your last monarch has a deathdate of 1795, but there aren't any other one, it will live til the end... so... in short words: nodelosandes said:
TG,
Considering that we'll have random leaders, that will somehow balance the situation for Spain and OE in the end, I am against the Spain and OE boosts ON. What do you think?
Considering that we'll have random leaders, that will somehow balance the situation for Spain and OE in the end, I am against the Spain and OE boosts ON. What do you think?
Hm, yes, that was the discussion in the previous game, right?.. so, I'm agree with it, at the end OE and Spain managed to survive the beginning without those boosts.. so.. yes.. I'm gonna take them off..Casluerj said:
That means that I have to post again the savefile at the statspage.. well, I have to do it anyway due to add the random leaders.. so.. on that stuff... and to have the savefile quickly... this is the configuration I'm gonna use for the leader generator: (at least until tomorrow, to speed this up, hey is on this tuesday our start day!)
France: 20 generals, 20 admirals, 5 explorers and 5 conquistadors
England: 15 gen, 25 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Austria: 28 gen, 12 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Spain: 20 gen, 20 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Moscowy (Russia): 25 gen, 15 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
OE: 20 gen, 20 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Sweden: 20 gen, 20 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Poland: 25 gen, 15 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Portugal: 15 gen, 25 adm, 5 exp and 5 conq
Give me your choices... (only for generals and admirals, explorers and conquerors are going to be like that)
the_genius said:
Oh Nooooooooooo!
Whatever, I'll deal.
TG, I'll PM you about the random leaders for OE.
-Mark
Ok Mark.. my folder is quite empty at the moment, even though I'm playing a Werewolf game at the Spanish Forum
the_genius said:
sure, but don't give Fred II or Blucher to Poland or Austria. let luck decides with random setups. my humble opinion
Yeah, I was studying the leaders that are generate with this tool, and it can appear even a leader with the characteristics of these two (or superior).. so having those random leaders we can scrap that suggestion of putting those guys in Polish file..Javier (Pibe) said:
the_genius said:
This country is becoming less attractive every day... I think BB will be much more competitive in the final stages than Poland under these circumstances… I mean crappy monarchs and few crappy leaders while standing in the middle of Europe
Edit: Maybe a BB/Prussia with Dutch and polish culture, and removing German from the Swedish in order to avoid constant invasions from the north
Edit 2: Ok I have checked it and BB with extra cultures gets enough, maybe the Dutch culture in order to encourage competition over those lands with the major league countries...
In order to avoid being a minor power I think that the option of merged north German provinces should be on, that way I could grab a couple of provinces quickly and without getting too high BB points... Sweeden shall keep German culture... also a minor boost of 500 ducats could help in my early wars against Poland (as BB usually gets dowed by them) but without this I should be able to survive
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We all know what happened with BB/PRU at the end of ATE1, it was crushed by Russia quite easily even having those excellent leaders, so it's guarantee that a country having or not leaders will be better at the end or at the beginning; also, Poland will have a better core for standing a chance against their enemies. Plus, as I have said before, this random leader thingy improves a lot the number of leaders a country might have; randomly can give some powerful leaders. Plus2 a Poland with german culture can racked up a better MP than BB, due to its size and the possibility of getting Lithuania almost free. Plus3, Poland has a better position by only having huge frontier with Russia only, but BB is practically in a hole between Russia/Sweden/Austria.delosandes said:
the_genius said:
I agreee that a well played Poland, with German culture and random leaders is stronger than BB.
the_genius said:
Any country can be crushed in the end. I had seen a lot of very strong Prussias in endgames. But, anyway a strong Poland should be possible with the current setup, so np.
Well that Russia wasn’t very representative of a standard one... they were Latin the whole game and they only had two borders, one in the south against the OE and the other one to the west against the polish ai... Sweden never attacked Russia during the whole game... the western powers didn’t expand into Poland ever! Ds and Philip left it to Russia, even Sweden that could have invaded the Baltic provinces didn’t expand there...
BB won’t have to deal with wrong religion provinces neither in Baltic, northern polish lands or Germany...
BB has much more ports and will be able to colonize and properly use those conquistadors and explorers...
BB has much better leaders and monarchs than Poland...
BB has much better events than Poland...
BB get by default polish, chezch and Baltic cultures, if I get Dutch and the ubber leaders there would be a lot of potential in Prussia...
Plus if the northern German provinces are all together I might get 4 provinces in the first 2 years of the game becoming a 7 province nation right away... something the last BB player didn’t have...
The initial MP problem could be easily solved by giving me an extra boost on money in order to pay the extra military maintenance...
edit: Finally BB has much richer provinces than Poland/poor Lithuania has... racking up the polish rich lands (which are near to BB like danzig wilkespo..., etc.) would leave BB with the same or better economic power.
BB won’t have to deal with wrong religion provinces neither in Baltic, northern polish lands or Germany...
BB has much more ports and will be able to colonize and properly use those conquistadors and explorers...
BB has much better leaders and monarchs than Poland...
BB has much better events than Poland...
BB get by default polish, chezch and Baltic cultures, if I get Dutch and the ubber leaders there would be a lot of potential in Prussia...
Plus if the northern German provinces are all together I might get 4 provinces in the first 2 years of the game becoming a 7 province nation right away... something the last BB player didn’t have...
The initial MP problem could be easily solved by giving me an extra boost on money in order to pay the extra military maintenance...
edit: Finally BB has much richer provinces than Poland/poor Lithuania has... racking up the polish rich lands (which are near to BB like danzig wilkespo..., etc.) would leave BB with the same or better economic power.
Valid points yeah, but Poland ain't that awful; besides the big ugly factor for BB is his development, due to the fact that it has to expand a lot quickly otherwise will get crushed easily, hurt it's tech race and economy. Plus, as we know, BB will focus again on Germany and will leave again in a plate Lithuania/Poland for Russia, getting us into the situation of having a big guy there. Also, this will leave again the fight for Germany to only two, but with the factor that BB *must* win its part, otherwise it will be sentenced to death. But having Poland/Sweden/Austria fighting for Germany, can prove to have a funnier game due to the fact that for these countries it's expansion ground not its core.
Well.. the decision has been made... keep Poland
Well.. the decision has been made... keep Poland
Just a quick note to everyone. I'm going away this weekend for a wedding, so I'll be out of touch from now until Monday morning. Hopefully I'll be able to sort out any diplomacy that happens between now and then before the game starts.
-Mark
-Mark
The fact that these points are valid means that Poland has a lot of disadvantages in comparison to the rest... even with Prussiathe_genius said:
The northern German nations under one banner makes expansion easier (BB will be able to earn 7 provinces right away)... plus being protestant, small, with rich provinces and good monarchs will boost Prussian tech race and economy (low stab and tech costs)... There is also the fact that Prussia will have more chances of focusing on colonization and trying to conquer those rich Asian COTs while at peace...the_genius said:
BB will focus on the northern Germans, polish and Baltic provinces, even it could rack up the polish provinces while the rest fight for Italy, NL, Crimea and the Balkans... Also Sweden should be a threat to Russia this time, we could give them Lithuanian culture in order to expand further more into that area (once they have expanded into Baltic)... BB could get Lithuanian as well and OE could get Polish (once they got Moldavia they could expand there) and Lithuania (once they got Crimea they could expand there)...the_genius said:
Also this will open Russian borders to more than only one front to the west (Austria, Prussia and the OE)
there is no need to have a fight for Germany, we should try to have a fight for Europe... German lands are not the big carrot that attracts everybody’s attention... given that there are a lot of contested areas (NL, Italy, Balkan, Crimea, North Africa, Baltic and Ugric), there is no essential need to have Germany under that situation to have fun too... BTW there aren’t cores over the northern German lands in the save file... only Poland got three, Sweden has none and Austria got only the central German lands...the_genius said:
Finally I think that BB is much fun to play than Poland, being Poland I will need to protect my vassal Lithuania for 100 years in order to get "something" from them... and that "something" will be wrong religion provinces with low income... I will have to deal with very bad events, few and not good leaders and bad monarchs... DP settings that I won’t be able to change because events will take them back to the starting point...
While Prussia will get ubber leaders and monarchs, a lot of potential to expand into the west ai nations and good events... This BB has much more potential that the one from ATE 1 (because of the starting options chosen) and the most important one, the extra cultures that will allow BB to expand into the west easily.