Americans take Europe 2 : Discussion Thread

[Cakravarti]

You say about Napoli. I say about Santos. He made Santos, not a capitol team, won two times the world club championship and the Libertadores da América. Did Napoli do that? And in Santos he was "alone".

And you're wrong. Without Pele, Brazil probably wouldnt have won in 58, 62 and 70. Rivelino, Gerson, Tostão and the other were always co-actors in a team commanded by Pelé. Garrincha may be the only except to this, but he didnt played in '70.

I like Maradona's way of play (I didnt see Pelé play as most of us here) but for me he is in the same level of Zico and Di Stefano.

Maradona won the serie A twice with a team that was in the doldrums before he arrived. He also finished second twice. The serie A was then the best league in the world. Winning the Brazillian league or the copa libertodores cannot compare to it. Brazil practically won the 62 world cup without him as he was injured in the second game so you are obviously wrong about that Cas. Also the team that won in '62 without Pele was pretty much identical to the team that won in '58 so I think Brazil couldve won in '58 without him as well. And in 1970 Pele was past his prime. You take him out of that team and they would still win. But you take Maradona out of the '86 team and Argentina probably get knocked out in the second round.

Both Maradona and Di Stefano were better players than Zico. Both of them are at the same level as Pele, but Zico wasnt. I liked Zico and the '82 Brazil team but as good a player as he was, he wasnt in the same league as Maradona or Di Stefano.

 

[Cakravarti]

Im really impressed how Maradona is known in the Asian continent I thought they only new argentina because we have more cows than population in our country... Is good to know that the football culture is expanding

Actually we dont know anything about the cows in your country.

But most asians especially south east asians are big football fans and we follow the world cup religiously so yea we know a thing or two about a certain Diego Maradona.

Altho I would warn you that most people dont know as much about him as me. Im probably a more educated football fan than most.

 

[the_genius]

Well, I've finished moving but it looks like I won't have network access in my new apartment until tomorrow. If necessary, I can use the campus network... which is outrageously fast, around 10mbps up and down, according to my latest speed tests. Sorry if I confused anyone (TG!) by suggesting a nappy a few days ago - I meant that we should play one after I moved here so that I can test my new connection - that won't be possible until tomorrow so I'll see what's happening then.

Oh Ok Fraese ... I couldn't make it anyway o but I think I'll be able tomorrow night, past 9pm.. like 9:30pm EST possibly... hopefully it'll be really cool

 

[the_genius]

On a separate note, for ICQ I need arcorelli, Gaius Marius, and the_genius to authorize me.

Funny... I already authorize you and added you to my ICQ.. well, I don't even wanna open my ICQ tonight at home (it's quite annoying sometimes with this crappy PC).. so tomorrow morning at the office I'll open it to check.. you can ask again anyway

 

[the_genius]

no Brandenburg? it's a shame, i consider it very important.

I kinda feel the same way about BB.. well, not exactly about BB but mostly about Prussia (given their leaders and monarchs).. there were a proposal to have the possibility for Poland to convert into Prussia when time comes... but I guess nobody looked at it and didn't take note of it... specially I wanted "technicals comments" about it...

@All,
Guys, lets drop already this Maradona-Pele thing, it's quite repetitive, even though I'm big fan of football and all, but that kinda discussion are really subjective so we will be always in cycle..

 

[Cakravarti]

I thought it was already decided that we were going to have that whole poland becomes prussia thing?

 

[Cakravarti]

Guys,

isnt giving austria german, dutch and italian overkill? I think we should take one of the three away from them. Maybe we could take italian away from them?

 

[Casluerj]

Winning the Brazillian league or the copa libertodores cannot compare to it

I said the World Club Championship, in Tokyo. Two Times

I agree with TG, this wont lead to nowhere. Why discussing this considering that we are just amateur-analists? I think you should consult what the REAL soccer analists think (and saw, because I doubt anyone here actually SAW Pelé playing), because they already found an answer for this.

Final point.

About Nappy tomorrow I wont be able for the same reason I had to left ATE1.

 

[the_genius]

I thought it was already decided that we were going to have that whole poland becomes prussia thing?

I thought that too.. but I didn't get the feedback I need to actualize officialize it... but well, it's not too late, though... I really like that idea, so how we can implemented without stressing the editor?

 

[the_genius]

Guys,

isnt giving austria german, dutch and italian overkill? I think we should take one of the three away from them. Maybe we could take italian away from them?

Austria only gets as a surplus: italian; because the options only give it Dutch due to the fact that at the beginning Austria owns NL; but as we know, it will lose it quite rapidly, so at the end it won't be that important for Austria to have dutch. Also, german, well... is a *must* for Austria doesn't it??

 

[Casluerj]

Guys,

isnt giving austria german, dutch and italian overkill? I think we should take one of the three away from them. Maybe we could take italian away from them?

We only gave Italian to Austria, Cak.

About Poland become Prussia I am against. Prussia would be a super hubber power. Maybe Poland should keep its name and we gave "only" Blucher and Fred II to Poland (2 ubber leaders will be enough).

 

[the_genius]

About Poland become Prussia I am against. Prussia would be a super hubber power. Maybe Poland should keep its name and we gave "only" Blucher and Fred II to Poland (2 ubber leaders will be enough).

This is good also, plus if we get those random leaders, ppl won't complain anymore about lacking those.... *glares at Caslu*

 

[MarkDey]

Two rules questions

The limit on the number of provs that can be asked from a loser of a war only applies to human vs human combat, right?

Also...

"Persian, Cantonese, Han and Japanese provs can't be taken until 1650" means provs that have those cultures, right?

-Mark

 

[the_genius]

The limit on the number of provs that can be asked from a loser of a war only applies to human vs human combat, right?

Also...

"Persian, Cantonese, Han and Japanese provs can't be taken until 1650" means provs that have those cultures, right?

Yes and Yes, Mark

 

[Casluerj]

This is good also, plus if we get those random leaders, ppl won't complain anymore about lacking those.... *glares at Caslu*

Dont look at me now... you should look at our friends in OE, Spain and Poland... they will suffer in the end.

 

[MarkDey]

"Persian, Cantonese, Han and Japanese provs can't be taken until 1650" means provs that have those cultures, right?

Yes and Yes, Mark

One more thing - define taken. It looks like you mean you can't own those provinces, but you can control them if trying to get enough warscore for them to leave you alone. True?

-Mark

 

[the_genius]

One more thing - define taken. It looks like you mean you can't own those provinces, but you can control them if trying to get enough warscore for them to leave you alone. True?

-Mark

Yep, taken means owning, conquering and asking it in peace agreements... you can attack them but you can't own them until the given date...

 

[the_genius]

Ok Guys, I got a leader generator, it's a one time leader generator so we must add those to the savefile. Btw, big thanks to Temujin for passing it to me , and awesome thanks to Shigure who is the creator of this magnificient tool

Now, the generator has a file where I can configurate how many leaders are going to be added by country...

As I can see in this file, we can add up to 50 leaders (which is a good number, not too much but not too little for some countries lacking leaders at some point). These are divided in Generals, Admirals, Explorers and Conquistadors; but also, we can also define how many of Explorers and Conquistadors we are going to get for each century (there are 4 centuries: 1419-1519, -1619, -1719, -1819), so the first century can go with a 0, so you can choose for the other 3 centuries.

But, I'm thinking about limiting the number of Explorers-Conquistadors to be added to 10 (as it is by default in this tool), so there's going to be 40 tops between Generals and Admirals. You can choose how many of them are going to be added.

Questions?

 

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This is good also, plus if we get those random leaders, ppl won't complain anymore about lacking those.... *glares at Caslu*

why? it's unfair

 

[MarkDey]

What ranks are the leaders and how long will they live? (random?)

-Mark