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I think such a peace would be about what Americans would ask for in said war.robou said:
Sorry I have not updated in awhile, I was going to let the suspense build and then I got Sins of a Solar Empire. So I have been playing that a bit, its an amazing game with the only real let down being no campaign and the battle AI could be a bit better in case anyone is wondering. Ok here comes the next update.
As appealing as the war was to America, when all was said and done Van Buren couldn't declare war. America was just not ready for war but maybe someday it would be. The Army was in the middle of updating anyways, becoming more professional and disciplined. He also knew that there was no way the Untied States Navy could ever stand up to the Royal Navy and America had a lot of coastline. The day would come though, America would see Europe out of the Americas.
On September 30th 1837 the Treaty of Eau Claire was signed. This treaty renegotiated the western boarder of the Wisconsin Territory to the Mississippi River. This treaty was signed in the town of Eau Claire with only a couple of representatives of the Sioux Nation surrounded by US soldiers and a few members of the American government. The US government took the land while giving them 750 pounds worth of land to be reserved for their use, of course this was the worst land they could find in the entire area. This also left the dense forest of the Wisconsin Peninsula even more isolated from the rest of the Sioux Nation. That land was starting to become a bit more valuable as rumors of iron ore in the peninsula was coming back. Some politicians were also calling to change the name of this peninsula to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan as it was promised to Michigan in the wake of the Toledo War of 1835-36.
The Toledo War was a large fight between the state of Ohio and the Territory of Michigan when Michigan was petitioning to become a state. The conflict started due to changes in federal law and the general lack of information about the geography of the Great Lakes. In 1787, the Congress of the Confederation enacted the Northwest Ordinance, which created the Northwest Territory in what is now the upper Midwestern United States. The Ordinance specified that the territory was eventually to be divided into not less than three nor more than five future states. It was determined that the north-south boundary for three of these states was to be an east and west line drawn through the southerly bend or extreme of Lake Michigan. But when Congress passed the Enabling Act of 1802 they changed the northern boarder of Ohio. This created two different possible interpretations of the boarder between Ohio and Michigan and between these two was a space 468 square miles that included Toledo, which was a major trading city at the time. The conflict broke out when Michigan petitioned to become a state seeking to claim the so called "Toledo Strip" as part of their state. Ohio then had its congressional delegates try, and succeed, to stop Michigan from gaining statehood. This lead to the Michigan militia to mobilize and set up positions north of the Maumee River near Toledo, of course the Ohio militia followed suit setting up south of the Maumee River opposite the Michigan militia. This bitter stand off was ended by the intervention of President Andrew Jackson. He promised Michigan statehood and the Wisconsin peninsula in return for allowing Ohio Toledo. Of course this was not popular with the residents of the Territory and they only ended it because they were running into financial ruin and Congress was getting ready to pass out money to states but not territories.
Two weeks after the Treaty of Eau Claire another treaty came into being. This changed the boarder of northern Iowa to the Missouri River. In essence it was the exact same as the Treaty of Eau Claire with some words changed.
In February the Mormons left Ohio and traveled to Missouri. They would not be missed in Ohio and it is a good thing that the religion is now defunct in modern times. The reason they left is their bank failed and this lead to much internal squabbling.
For the rest of the winter and half of the spring of 1838 things were quiet. Due to the low taxes (33% flat rate for everyone) many capitalists started factories or railroads in the New York and Pennsylvania areas. The government spent the time rebuilding the treasury and paying off the loans incurred due to the two native treaties.
This changed in mid April. Georgia had a history of fighting with the Cherokees and their Cherokee Nation, due to the gold in their nation. They created a document to have the entire nation moved west of the Missouri but the Supreme Court supported the sovereignty of the nation. Even though this was going on and the Whigs and Liberty party fought to keep the ruling the Democratic party refused to do anything on the matter and with a 60% majority in Congress and a president in the white house what they said went. So the Federal Government refused to intervene and the Cherokees were forced to move.
As debts of the country continued to mount on April 24th the government founded a museum. Ironically the museum was devoted to Native Americans. This was a bite at the Democratic party which they actively supported to try to recover from any dislike due to their inaction with the Cherokees.
On May 28th the Texas diplomat approached the President with an offer of an alliance. This alliance would be a mutual defense pact. Neither would be required to help in an offensive war but in the case of a defensive war they would. Clearly the people in Austin were afraid that Mexico would attack. Van Buren of course accepted.
On September 30th 1837 the Treaty of Eau Claire was signed. This treaty renegotiated the western boarder of the Wisconsin Territory to the Mississippi River. This treaty was signed in the town of Eau Claire with only a couple of representatives of the Sioux Nation surrounded by US soldiers and a few members of the American government. The US government took the land while giving them 750 pounds worth of land to be reserved for their use, of course this was the worst land they could find in the entire area. This also left the dense forest of the Wisconsin Peninsula even more isolated from the rest of the Sioux Nation. That land was starting to become a bit more valuable as rumors of iron ore in the peninsula was coming back. Some politicians were also calling to change the name of this peninsula to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan as it was promised to Michigan in the wake of the Toledo War of 1835-36.
The Toledo War was a large fight between the state of Ohio and the Territory of Michigan when Michigan was petitioning to become a state. The conflict started due to changes in federal law and the general lack of information about the geography of the Great Lakes. In 1787, the Congress of the Confederation enacted the Northwest Ordinance, which created the Northwest Territory in what is now the upper Midwestern United States. The Ordinance specified that the territory was eventually to be divided into not less than three nor more than five future states. It was determined that the north-south boundary for three of these states was to be an east and west line drawn through the southerly bend or extreme of Lake Michigan. But when Congress passed the Enabling Act of 1802 they changed the northern boarder of Ohio. This created two different possible interpretations of the boarder between Ohio and Michigan and between these two was a space 468 square miles that included Toledo, which was a major trading city at the time. The conflict broke out when Michigan petitioned to become a state seeking to claim the so called "Toledo Strip" as part of their state. Ohio then had its congressional delegates try, and succeed, to stop Michigan from gaining statehood. This lead to the Michigan militia to mobilize and set up positions north of the Maumee River near Toledo, of course the Ohio militia followed suit setting up south of the Maumee River opposite the Michigan militia. This bitter stand off was ended by the intervention of President Andrew Jackson. He promised Michigan statehood and the Wisconsin peninsula in return for allowing Ohio Toledo. Of course this was not popular with the residents of the Territory and they only ended it because they were running into financial ruin and Congress was getting ready to pass out money to states but not territories.
Two weeks after the Treaty of Eau Claire another treaty came into being. This changed the boarder of northern Iowa to the Missouri River. In essence it was the exact same as the Treaty of Eau Claire with some words changed.
In February the Mormons left Ohio and traveled to Missouri. They would not be missed in Ohio and it is a good thing that the religion is now defunct in modern times. The reason they left is their bank failed and this lead to much internal squabbling.
For the rest of the winter and half of the spring of 1838 things were quiet. Due to the low taxes (33% flat rate for everyone) many capitalists started factories or railroads in the New York and Pennsylvania areas. The government spent the time rebuilding the treasury and paying off the loans incurred due to the two native treaties.
This changed in mid April. Georgia had a history of fighting with the Cherokees and their Cherokee Nation, due to the gold in their nation. They created a document to have the entire nation moved west of the Missouri but the Supreme Court supported the sovereignty of the nation. Even though this was going on and the Whigs and Liberty party fought to keep the ruling the Democratic party refused to do anything on the matter and with a 60% majority in Congress and a president in the white house what they said went. So the Federal Government refused to intervene and the Cherokees were forced to move.
As debts of the country continued to mount on April 24th the government founded a museum. Ironically the museum was devoted to Native Americans. This was a bite at the Democratic party which they actively supported to try to recover from any dislike due to their inaction with the Cherokees.
On May 28th the Texas diplomat approached the President with an offer of an alliance. This alliance would be a mutual defense pact. Neither would be required to help in an offensive war but in the case of a defensive war they would. Clearly the people in Austin were afraid that Mexico would attack. Van Buren of course accepted.
And you are saying this to a person born in Michigan and a life long hater of your entire state.Estonianzulu said:
Edit: That is in jest....just making sure you knew that.
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Ah the would be state of Superior merged with Michagan... at least war was kept off.
They can become their own state now for all I care, we have mined all their minerals out so they won't be much use to us anymore. As long as we can keep Mackinac.robou said:
Update is coming soon.
As May of his second year in office ended Van Buren called a meeting with his staff. This would be the most comprehensive meeting that had yet to take place in the white house quite possibly ever. The US was being seen as the fifth strongest nation in the world and equal to the Great Powers of Europe. Van Buren figured it was time that America start using that to their advantage, but first they had to figure out where America stacked up.
As was custom there was only eight nations in the world that were considered Great Powers. This was decided with prestige, military, and industry. With the highest prestige, military, and an industry over twice the size of the second largest the British Empire was the most powerful nation in the world and quite easily the greatest of these Great Powers. France had prestige, military, and industry that was second to only the British and it was clear that the French had bounced back from Napoleon and were quite nicely the second strongest nation in the world. The third strongest nation was a surprise to many, it was a member of the German Confederation but not the expected one. The nation that took the mantle of third best nation in the world was Prussia. Russia was the fourth because of its size and military. The United States was the fifth and in everything but military it was seen as better then Russia but it had a long ways to go to catch up to Prussia. After the US was Sweden followed by Austria and the Ottoman Empire.
Diplomatically the US was in very good condition being a Great Power. It could sit at any diplomatic table and be seen as at least an equal. It may not be on par with Europe and Europe's Great Powers but the only other nation that had any real influence on the Americas was Mexico which lagged behind America by a lot. Van Buren decided that keeping decent relations with most countries was the course that should be pursued although it was decided that they would do nothing about the degrading relations with Mexico. Other than Mexico the US was on at least neutral terms with the rest of the world.
Military was one of the things the US was far behind in. With 3 infantry divisions, 1 dragoon division, and 3 state militias the US Army was the 13th strongest army in the world. Van Buren ordered the militias to be disbanded and replaced by regular divisions with artillery.
The United States Navy was in a lot better position than the Army was. With 11 Men O War, 9 Frigates, and 3 transports the USN was the 6th largest in the world. The Royal Navy had 173 ships, the Russian Navy had 77 ships that slowly rotted in port, the French Navy had 69 ships spread out along its huge coastline, the Dutch Navy had 28 ships centered around Amsterdam, and the Ottoman Empire had 25 ships defending the Bosporus. Van Buren looked at the length of coastline the US had to defend and called for a revamping of the USN and a huge expansion.
These changes would have to wait however as the US Treasury had yet to fill. And debts would have to be paid off. The Secretary of the Treasury, Levi Woodbury, pointed out that the US had 5300 pounds of debt and was making only an average of 3 pounds a day because of the 3.2 pounds of daily interest on the debt. So repaying that debt remained the highest priority of US government.
The industry was the next to come under the microscope. The small arms industry in Virginia was not making any money due to the lack of materials it had. Because of that it was shut down by the government. In Southern New England a canned food industry had popped up after the shutting down of the fabrics industry. With the US, Texan, and British governments as the major buyers of this industry it was making a very nice profit of 3 and a half pounds a day. The wine, glass, and cement industries of New York state were also making very nice profits and were kept. But the chemical plants in New Jersey and Pennsylvania lost a lot of money each day and was shut down.
With the new methods for the military was finished the other day advances in industry were started by the government. Hopefully this would cause the state industries to start booming and lead to expansions.
As was custom there was only eight nations in the world that were considered Great Powers. This was decided with prestige, military, and industry. With the highest prestige, military, and an industry over twice the size of the second largest the British Empire was the most powerful nation in the world and quite easily the greatest of these Great Powers. France had prestige, military, and industry that was second to only the British and it was clear that the French had bounced back from Napoleon and were quite nicely the second strongest nation in the world. The third strongest nation was a surprise to many, it was a member of the German Confederation but not the expected one. The nation that took the mantle of third best nation in the world was Prussia. Russia was the fourth because of its size and military. The United States was the fifth and in everything but military it was seen as better then Russia but it had a long ways to go to catch up to Prussia. After the US was Sweden followed by Austria and the Ottoman Empire.
Diplomatically the US was in very good condition being a Great Power. It could sit at any diplomatic table and be seen as at least an equal. It may not be on par with Europe and Europe's Great Powers but the only other nation that had any real influence on the Americas was Mexico which lagged behind America by a lot. Van Buren decided that keeping decent relations with most countries was the course that should be pursued although it was decided that they would do nothing about the degrading relations with Mexico. Other than Mexico the US was on at least neutral terms with the rest of the world.
Military was one of the things the US was far behind in. With 3 infantry divisions, 1 dragoon division, and 3 state militias the US Army was the 13th strongest army in the world. Van Buren ordered the militias to be disbanded and replaced by regular divisions with artillery.
The United States Navy was in a lot better position than the Army was. With 11 Men O War, 9 Frigates, and 3 transports the USN was the 6th largest in the world. The Royal Navy had 173 ships, the Russian Navy had 77 ships that slowly rotted in port, the French Navy had 69 ships spread out along its huge coastline, the Dutch Navy had 28 ships centered around Amsterdam, and the Ottoman Empire had 25 ships defending the Bosporus. Van Buren looked at the length of coastline the US had to defend and called for a revamping of the USN and a huge expansion.
These changes would have to wait however as the US Treasury had yet to fill. And debts would have to be paid off. The Secretary of the Treasury, Levi Woodbury, pointed out that the US had 5300 pounds of debt and was making only an average of 3 pounds a day because of the 3.2 pounds of daily interest on the debt. So repaying that debt remained the highest priority of US government.
The industry was the next to come under the microscope. The small arms industry in Virginia was not making any money due to the lack of materials it had. Because of that it was shut down by the government. In Southern New England a canned food industry had popped up after the shutting down of the fabrics industry. With the US, Texan, and British governments as the major buyers of this industry it was making a very nice profit of 3 and a half pounds a day. The wine, glass, and cement industries of New York state were also making very nice profits and were kept. But the chemical plants in New Jersey and Pennsylvania lost a lot of money each day and was shut down.
With the new methods for the military was finished the other day advances in industry were started by the government. Hopefully this would cause the state industries to start booming and lead to expansions.
@stnylan: That pretty much sums it up.
@robou: Well I am making about 3 pounds a day and as soon as I pay off the debt I will be making an average of about 6 pounds a day. Then the military will expand by a lot.
@robou: Well I am making about 3 pounds a day and as soon as I pay off the debt I will be making an average of about 6 pounds a day. Then the military will expand by a lot.
Just some things to post but I am sure you guys have seen these before now.
The new Issue of the AARlander is up and can be found here, I have an article in it, third from the bottom.
Also the ACAs are starting up and you can vote here. I hope you remember my AAR when you vote and I hope to get at least nominated.
I should have another update later today.
The new Issue of the AARlander is up and can be found here, I have an article in it, third from the bottom.
Also the ACAs are starting up and you can vote here. I hope you remember my AAR when you vote and I hope to get at least nominated.
I should have another update later today.
On June 19th the improvements to the army command structure were finished. Before these ideas started being implemented the US Army and Navy took most of their ideas from the old European militaries for lack of better sources. Before now being an officer was similar to having a title of nobility, you just had to show up and not really do anything. Now with West Point becoming very established and people talking about creating an academy for the Navy an idea was spreading through the military and government. Make the commissioned officers do something. Make them prove their spot and make them take command of the men under them. This would theoretically make the best men high ranking and the worst would be demoted or removed from the army. Time would tell how this worked out.
Vice President Richard Mentor Johnson
July 1st 1838 started out a quiet day for the American government. The major things on the docket was what to do for the 4th. During the lunch recess for Congress a man came up to Vice President Richard M. Johnson saying how much he wanted to shake the hand of a man who is so unafraid of Southern Gentry that he had a common law wife who was his slave. And it was even better, the man continued, that once the wife died Vice President Johnson took not one but two mistresses a black and a mixed race. As soon as their hands touched the man pulled out a gun with his other hand and shot the Vice President in the head. The man let go of the Vice President's hand and watched him fall before calmly walking off before anyone got enough mind to stop him. The Vice President died almost instantly and on the Fourth of July he was given a state funeral. The death of a patriot, the man who shot Tecumseh and fought along with many in the War of 1812 was dead. A police investigation was immediately started but nothing would ever come of it. With no line of succession in place for the death of the Vice President it was decided that the Secretary of State was the most qualified position and as such John Forsyth became the Vice President and a possible candidate for the presidency after Van Buren's second term.
Everything was quiet and the government kept making payments on its debts until August 28th. The Mormons were again the cause of news, in their new home of Missouri. This time there was a string of attacks from both sides of the conflict, the Protestants and the Mormons. This lead to a lot of fighting of varying strength for the rest of the year.
November 9th saw one of the large conflicts of the war that helped decided the Mormons to surrender. The event was called The Massacre at Haun's Mill. Haun's Mill was a village that had sprung up from around the land owned by the Haun family. On the night of November 9th over 200 settlers from the near by area attacked the village killing 18 and wounding another 15. Since this was on the frontier no one was arrested or anything. Everyone looked after themselves and there was a vigilante law which had more influence than federal rule and the police which was more often than not small military outposts.
On December 27th another diplomatic meeting was held in Washington DC. This time diplomats from the British Empire, Texas, and the Sioux Nation came. when the Sioux was sitting down the agenda was to promote peace and allowing the natives to keep their land but when it was just the white men there the talks were on how to carve up the rest of the continent. The Americans and British agreed to make a line through Lake Superior and continue that line through the rest of the country or at least until past the Sioux Nation, what would happen past the Sioux lands was left as vague as possible. The Texans asked for all the land east of the Apache land and north to the capital of the Cherokee Nation. On these issues however the Americans gave very very vague statements that could be easily changed later.
Vice President Richard Mentor Johnson
July 1st 1838 started out a quiet day for the American government. The major things on the docket was what to do for the 4th. During the lunch recess for Congress a man came up to Vice President Richard M. Johnson saying how much he wanted to shake the hand of a man who is so unafraid of Southern Gentry that he had a common law wife who was his slave. And it was even better, the man continued, that once the wife died Vice President Johnson took not one but two mistresses a black and a mixed race. As soon as their hands touched the man pulled out a gun with his other hand and shot the Vice President in the head. The man let go of the Vice President's hand and watched him fall before calmly walking off before anyone got enough mind to stop him. The Vice President died almost instantly and on the Fourth of July he was given a state funeral. The death of a patriot, the man who shot Tecumseh and fought along with many in the War of 1812 was dead. A police investigation was immediately started but nothing would ever come of it. With no line of succession in place for the death of the Vice President it was decided that the Secretary of State was the most qualified position and as such John Forsyth became the Vice President and a possible candidate for the presidency after Van Buren's second term.
Everything was quiet and the government kept making payments on its debts until August 28th. The Mormons were again the cause of news, in their new home of Missouri. This time there was a string of attacks from both sides of the conflict, the Protestants and the Mormons. This lead to a lot of fighting of varying strength for the rest of the year.
November 9th saw one of the large conflicts of the war that helped decided the Mormons to surrender. The event was called The Massacre at Haun's Mill. Haun's Mill was a village that had sprung up from around the land owned by the Haun family. On the night of November 9th over 200 settlers from the near by area attacked the village killing 18 and wounding another 15. Since this was on the frontier no one was arrested or anything. Everyone looked after themselves and there was a vigilante law which had more influence than federal rule and the police which was more often than not small military outposts.
On December 27th another diplomatic meeting was held in Washington DC. This time diplomats from the British Empire, Texas, and the Sioux Nation came. when the Sioux was sitting down the agenda was to promote peace and allowing the natives to keep their land but when it was just the white men there the talks were on how to carve up the rest of the continent. The Americans and British agreed to make a line through Lake Superior and continue that line through the rest of the country or at least until past the Sioux Nation, what would happen past the Sioux lands was left as vague as possible. The Texans asked for all the land east of the Apache land and north to the capital of the Cherokee Nation. On these issues however the Americans gave very very vague statements that could be easily changed later.
No one would in their right mind would but it is a diplomatic summit and all so we have to pretend to be nice.robou said:i wouldn't give the Texans a dime, though happily take their lands
Of course, can you imagine what would happen if those savages were allowed to keep the land?stnylan said:
After far too long I am back with an update coming right as you read this (if you read this before I finish the update of course.
Felix Grundy
Van Buren's presidency was shook again in early April 1839. Another assassination attempt on a member of Van Buren's cabinet happened on April Fool's day of that year. Van Buren had called a meeting that day in which all members were present and after the meeting each left to go home to wives or mistresses. One of them did not make it home. Felix Grundy was the attorney general starting in 1838, he replaced Benjamin F. Butler after he left to become the US attorney for the district of Southern New York. It is assumed that Grundy was picked because of his southern roots. When his body was found a note was pinned to his jacket that said "These assassinations will continue until this presidency stops its support of the southern institution of slavery. The Sons of Liberty will not stop fighting until there is no longer any slaves in this great nation."
Exactly a month later the Mormons moved again, this time over the Mississippi river to Illinois. Over 15,000 people migrated while Joseph Smith and other leaders escaped from custody to help found the town of Nauvoo.
Two weeks later the New York Stocks and Exchanges Board issued a new set of rules and regulations on how stocks would be bought, sold, and otherwise exchanged. As the largest of the stock exchanges it became the unofficial center of stock exchange in the US and with these new regulations and clearer guidelines businesses started being more attracted to selling stocks while smart investors were starting to make a lot of money doing this.
September 28th was another flare up in relations with the British Empire. This was called the Aroostook War. Some 12,000 square miles of land in (depending on which side you took) Northern Maine or Southern New Brunswick had never clearly been defined. After the sitting down of the Caroline Affair it was not believed that the US populace would be happy with the diplomats sitting down and talking it over. So the plans for war from the Caroline Affair were dusted off and taken out, and war was declared on the British Empire.