Amelia Earhart?

[AapoAlas]

Given that it was mentioned that the "US can hire her later" would refer to her becoming one of those advisers that can be "hired" for the political points. So fear not, such a terrible thing as a woman in the army will not be forced upon you.

 

[rjohansen]

Comparing someone with the temperament and skills to fly solo across the Atlantic in the 1930s with someone who's fame stems, in part, from having TV cameras follow them around is quite unfair.

I do sort of understand your point that it is doubtful a surviving Earheart would have been that significant a 'leader' in HOI terms, however I disagree with you disparaging her achievements.

Not my intention. But she was a fashionista, writer of cosmopolitan, advocate of women rights, famous, from a very rich family etc. Also, she was a pilot. We remember her mostly as a pilot, but from my understanding, in her time frame, she was just as much famous for the rest of the things I mentioned.

 

[rjohansen]

Given that it was mentioned that the "US can hire her later" would refer to her becoming one of those advisers that can be "hired" for the political points. So fear not, such a terrible thing as a woman in the army will not be forced upon you.

I might not understand that concept really well yet. As there is no government in HOI4. But is she supposed to be a minister of sorts? Do someone even think that would likely have happen in real life - had she managed the flight?

 

[Sir Garnet]

Maybe some dev misspoke or someone else speculated about a "historical path" in away that might be reasonably interpreted by readers to mean flipping events to the historical course, but what I recall is just repeated discussion of the ability to set the AI countries to make the historical choices of foci from its focus tree, which is a very limited statement but which will tend to nudge the game along generally historical lines.

I would like the ability to set both AI and non-AI countries the same way as a help in multiplayer and country-switching, though if the historical paths are clearly marked for all to see that should suffice in MP.

Amelia Earhart was one of the small number of global celebrities who were not political leaders or stars in film or sports. At a minimum, she would have been traveling around the country selling war bonds in aviation-themed events and appearing in newsreels perhaps encouraging women to join the work force - as the song says, ladies ...with your help, nothing can stop the Army Air Corps!

 

[Mannstien]

/shrug, just for flavor, what if the Kaiser lives until 1947? I'm sure there will be some great mods with more historical news from the time period then again they can get annoying if you have to many. I remember in Grey Wolves removing a lot of the radio messages you get about the war progress because it would always drop me out of travel game speed which if you can imagine wasn't much fun at least for me travelling the Atlantic to my patrol zone in a Type VII at cruising speed.

 

[AapoAlas]

I might not understand that concept really well yet. As there is no government in HOI4. But is she supposed to be a minister of sorts? Do someone even think that would likely have happen in real life - had she managed the flight?

I really cannot say whether or not Amelia Earhart would've had a possibility of being called to act as an adviser to the US government had she survived as I have not read her history that well. However I believe we are to think of the advisers as some sort of ministers or people close to the government. Advisers. Highly valued scientists. Something like that.

If you mean from a non-historical perspective then they are simply modifiers for the country with a name and a face tagged onto them that you use to customise the country you play.

 

[Nicolas I]

What a nightmare the EU4 Great Women of History free DLC must have been for the OP. He surely disabled it to avoid seeing a woman or worse many women as artists, authors, councilors, and rulers.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

What a nightmare the EU4 Great Women of History free DLC must have been for the OP. He surely disabled it to avoid seeing a woman or worse many women as artists, authors, councilors, and rulers.

Let's not jump the gun here. Remember, Amelia Earhart really did not have any qualifications for leading anything related to warfare. Let's not assume he would think the same way if we were talking about a woman who did have qualifications for air-wing leadership. After all, the women in EU4 are actually qualified for their jobs....except the Korean queens with their 0,1,0 skill distribution. There is also inference of Women in Aviation as a national idea for the USSR, and I'm curious to know if Lydia Litvyak will be someone of importance.

 

[rjohansen]

What a nightmare the EU4 Great Women of History free DLC must have been for the OP. He surely disabled it to avoid seeing a woman or worse many women as artists, authors, councilors, and rulers.

I bought most of the expansions of EU4, I think, except Mare Nostrum. Allthough I am not playing it much. Prefer HOI3. But will of course buy Mare Nostrum next time I decide to play EU4.

Anyhow, I have no problem with Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great etc. They are historical. Amelia Earhart as some kind of minister or adviser is not. We live in 2016 - times where a bit different in the 16th century with regards to women rights. Time where also different in 1940s.

Someone mentioned her as a propaganda tool, national spirit or what ever, not so sure what they are yet. But yeah, she could be used as some kind of propaganda tool - calling women into the working force, perhaps give a slight bonus to factories for a while. Or boosting number recruiting time perhaps, getting more people to join the war.

A cold war mod/game however, would be totally off, if not using the powerful women of that period. I just don't think Amelia Earhart is in any way, not even remotely, close to becoming a minister, leader or advisor of any sorts.

From 1936 to 1947 there where not that many women in power or political leaders at all, however, some where, they should be in the game. Frances Perkins was in Roosevelts cabinet for instance. She had real power, real influence. Amalia Earhart was popular, but no politician, she would probably be going back to working on her fashion brand. As a "propaganda tool" for recruiting both soldiers and female laborers, I guess, something like that is plausible. But becoming a minister/leader or god forbid, a military leader, is not plausible at all.

 

[The_Meme_Man]

I bought most of the expansions of EU4, I think, except Mare Nostrum. Allthough I am not playing it much. Prefer HOI3. But will of course buy Mare Nostrum next time I decide to play EU4.

Anyhow, I have no problem with Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great etc. They are historical. Amelia Earhart as some kind of minister or adviser is not. We live in 2016 - times where a bit different in the 16th century with regards to women rights. Time where also different in 1940s.

Someone mentioned her as a propaganda tool, national spirit or what ever, not so sure what they are yet. But yeah, she could be used as some kind of propaganda tool - calling women into the working force, perhaps give a slight bonus to factories for a while. Or boosting number recruiting time perhaps, getting more people to join the war.

A cold war mod/game however, would be totally off, if not using the powerful women of that period. I just don't think Amelia Earhart is in any way, not even remotely, close to becoming a minister, leader or advisor of any sorts.

From 1936 to 1947 there where not that many women in power or political leaders at all, however, some where, they should be in the game. Frances Perkins was in Roosevelts cabinet for instance. She had real power, real influence. Amalia Earhart was popular, but no politician, she would probably be going back to working on her fashion brand. As a "propaganda tool" for recruiting both soldiers and female laborers, I guess, something like that is plausible. But becoming a minister/leader or god forbid, a military leader, is not plausible at all.

Now, I'm curious to know if there is an event that plays on the conspiracy theory that Amelia Earhart was captured by the Japanese.

 

[Nicolas I]

...Amalia Earhart was popular, but no politician, she would probably be going back to working on her fashion brand. As a "propaganda tool" for recruiting both soldiers and female laborers, I guess, something like that is plausible. But becoming a minister/leader or god forbid, a military leader, is not plausible at all.

Let's not jump the gun here. Remember, Amelia Earhart really did not have any qualifications for leading anything related to warfare...

In HOI3 Charles Lindberg was a possible Chief of Air and Head of State, tough he had 1 year of military training in 1924 he was hardly a military commander and was not a politician either.