Am I supposed to be this rich?

[DukeDayve]

Playing as England, started in 1444. Surrendered all French territory to France after losing HYW, vassalized Tyrone, Connacht and Munster. Kept huge navy (disbanded 2 cogs to get back in my forcelimit after losing French land), army is 30 units. Built armory, docks and markets in ALL my provinces. Have 3 advisers permanently hired (just the cheap ones that cost 1g per month).

Year is 1470 and after all this I still have over 5,000 ducats. Is this supposed to be happening? Is England supposed to have enough money in 1470 to end world hunger and start a space program?

 

[toroltao]

It's a feature.

 

[DukeDayve]

It's a feature.

Is it a "feature" they plan to keep? Because it kinda ruins one of my favourite nations when it's only 20 years in to the game and already I'm so rich that I could switch off my economy and have 0 income and I'd still be able to stay ahead and win wars for the next 2 centuries.

 

[Incompetent]

You start off with a high income, but from an army perspective you're kind of mediocre compared to France, and you can end up in a bad situation diplomatically. I got rivalled by France, Denmark, Burgundy, Castile and Austria!

If you want to keep things interesting in the early game, don't chicken out of the HYW. Also, you're supposed to be hit by the Wars of the Roses and/or be stuck with a useless king for years at the start that will put you behind on tech. If you got a quick, clean succession to a decent king, you should count yourself very lucky.

 

[powerguy]

Playing as England, started in 1444. Have 3 advisers permanently hired (just the cheap ones that cost 1g per month).

England (and other Nations as well it should be noted) have had a buff to their income with this patch, notably to their trade income. England actually needed this buff though (the AI moreso than players), you need all that money if you want to take on France or any of the other big European powers because your land military isn't as good. The main issue is that you are running Level 1 advisors, monarch points are far less valuable than gold and if you are making that much money you should be running Level 3's and staying ahead in tech and ideas.

 

[Davetheterror]

england when played by human also now have crazy amount of income , even if netherland have formed and have grown quite big in my game getting 35% share of the english node I still control it and makes around 300 ducats in trade alone in 1700, lets just say I went from rich to crazy rich, with 120 warship, 300 trade ship, and over 120 size army

overall I have a 500+ ducat income and its only gonna get bigger since I still have a fleet limit of 100 to go, adding 40-50 trade ships to the 120 trade ship in english trade node already and its gonna grow by 50 more ducats in a few year and maybe even 100 ducats more

 

[Blaine500]

It makes England a little more balanced now, but they still aren't as good militarily, especially considering force limits from colonies have been halved. If anything, the only buffs it needs now are just a bit of work on the AI, then it will be in better shape.

 

[jockedahl]

The value of money has really declined this patch. Trade is now huge due to the sheer number of new provinces providing trade value. Especially when the New World opens up and someone steers trade around Africa.

VS AI there's really not much to do with the money. Will be interesting how MP plays out. I imagine there will be a lot of mercenary spamming.

 

[fleetothemoon]

Playing as England, started in 1444. Surrendered all French territory to France after losing HYW, vassalized Tyrone, Connacht and Munster. Kept huge navy (disbanded 2 cogs to get back in my forcelimit after losing French land), army is 30 units. Built armory, docks and markets in ALL my provinces. Have 3 advisers permanently hired (just the cheap ones that cost 1g per month).

Year is 1470 and after all this I still have over 5,000 ducats. Is this supposed to be happening? Is England supposed to have enough money in 1470 to end world hunger and start a space program?

I think part of it is due to the human player's tendency to save money. I've always been trying to maintain positive balance and being cheap by:

-Only hiring level one advisors and only hiring level two advisors when I don't have a choice, almost never hiring level 3
-Never building over the force limit unless if I really need to in a close war and even then, it's temporary
-I don't maintain a large big ship fleet, employing mostly lightships
-Years pass by where I play minesweeper and solitaire, waiting for AE to go down, letting my treasury accrue itself

Having a large war chest can be very useful, since you can be running completely on mercs and building over the force limit.

For an England who abandoned her continental provinces, having that amount of money is probably not that useful unless if she plans to invade the continent again. You should hired those +2 +3 advisors

 

[Ultrix Prime]

Indeed, and taxes as well. Take a look at Ethiopia's starting base tax (I think it was 42).

Plus, Georgia somehow grabbed up or otherwise got Circassia and in 1649 the Ottomans are still trying to conquer them ...

The AI does not deal particularly well with the new mechanics is what it seems to me. With all the money buffs, nations go on massive annexing sprees only to have a zillion rebels pop up and take everything back again.

The game is more static now in this regard. Every time you see a big move by a country, rebels reverse it. Kazan, Golden Horde all doing fine because as soon as Russia grabs a huge bite, they go off to grab another, then rebels spring up everywhere and it all goes right back again.

So on the one hand, the additional income like, EVERYWHERE, lol, causes AI countries to go to plenty of wars, more than before I think. But then the rebel mechanics are such that the AI doesn't realize its gone too far and loses it all, then fights a big war, then loses most/all of it, over and over and over again.

These things need to be balanced out in the AI because a human can very easily take advantage of this behavior.

I simply waited until Timi was in a big war, then warred on him, kept the war going extra long, and suddenly EIGHT countries popped up due to rebels - EIGHT, in less than 10 years and TWO MORE are going to form any moment.

And one of them, Khorasan, I already have because I attacked Persia, forced them to release Khorsan and quickly diplo vassalized them and the 5 province Khorasan rebellion, I'm pretty sure, is going to hand me 5 more provinces for no effort via my vassal.

So like, in some ways I think the AI's behaviors are much much more exploitable because with all the money sloshing around it's like Brewster's Millions or something to where the AI will spend itself into failure.

 

[Finlayn]

It's all about that english channel money.

 

[Kh3lben]

Tbh this new english channel money is really irritating if you are a playing a non-catholic nation around the Mediterranean.There is usually a defender of the catholic faith up and running from 1450.

 

[RHKINC]

Just means you can now afford late tech buildings

 

[Andy578]

English channel pretty much changed everything for England. if you get into wars with France that money goes away very quickly but if you just gave up everything on the continent then you most likely won't be having many if any wars with France

 

[Incompetent]

English channel pretty much changed everything for England. if you get into wars with France that money goes away very quickly but if you just gave up everything on the continent then you most likely won't be having many if any wars with France

If you give up everything on the continent, you're potentially giving up a lot of trade power in your home node. (The continental side has several estuaries and important COTs, plus you miss out on the Calais decision.) So pulling out of Europe is not such a clear-cut decision any more, even if you plan to focus on trade.

 

[Andy578]

If you give up everything on the continent, you're potentially giving up a lot of trade power in your home node. (The continental side has three estuaries and two important COTs, plus you miss out on the Calais decision.) So pulling out of Europe is not such a clear-cut decision any more, even if you plan to focus on trade.

yeah in my game i gave up all but Calais and had about 3000 or so saved up by 1470 at which point Calais was lost to France and i blew pretty much all that money during the war. you do take a hit not having those provinces but my trade didn't suffer that much. losing Calais actually put my income to the point where i had just enough but not more then i could spend like i did before so it was a pretty good balance.

funny thing tho after taking Calais France decided to take on Austria who had inherited Burgundy and of course France easily won but the AE resulted in Castile breaking their alliance and a massive coalition consisting of nearly the entire HRE formed. over the next few years France was weakened by constant wars when they decided to take on Castile but half way through the war Spain was suddenly formed then Austria started it's coalition war then i jumped in to get my cores back and that was pretty much the end of France ever being a threat again. Province actually rebelled and now owns most of France with France only having Paris and like 3 other provinces

 

[Phalanxia]

The AI does not deal particularly well with the new mechanics is what it seems to me. With all the money buffs, nations go on massive annexing sprees only to have a zillion rebels pop up and take everything back again.

Tbh this new english channel money is really irritating if you are a playing a non-catholic nation around the Mediterranean.There is usually a defender of the catholic faith up and running from 1450.

English channel pretty much changed everything for England. if you get into wars with France that money goes away very quickly but if you just gave up everything on the continent then you most likely won't be having many if any wars with France

All of these sound ideal - I'm not sure what the problem is?

 

[Petrucci]

All of these sound ideal - I'm not sure what the problem is?

People like to scream on this forum without any good reason.

 

[Red John]

All of these sound ideal - I'm not sure what the problem is?

The AI annexing land en masse and subsequently falling to rebellions?

Over and over.

And over and over.

And over and over and over and over.

 

[donagel]

AS England I go to war and forget about my trading, when I remember to look up I've gained a couple thousand ducats..I usually have at least 5k. They are so rich that I when absent mindedly left my main battle fleet(70+ ships) in an attrition area and lost them, I didn't go back to a save, I just rebuilt them,