Am I crazy, or did this change in TFH...

[High Wood]

Is it now possible to suppress RR in annexed territory now? (TFH 4.02)

I was playing a game as Japan and after knocking out NatChi was about to end for the night, when I realized that RR was lower than 6% in some annexed provinces.
I let it run for another wee or two and it seems that troops actually do lower RR. Is this for real, or am I witnessing something else?

 

[Opanashc]

It is real. It got changed from original, flat rate.

 

[21oliver]

Revolt risk? Yes check your Production screens. Its called suppression.

Military Pol - 3 Garrison -2 Armored car/infantry/cavalry 1

It reduces the chance of revolts, you place them on VPs and resource locations when you conquer someone it works well.

 

[High Wood]

It is real. It got changed from original, flat rate.

Cool!

Does that mean using Gar or MP's in particular provinces will now increase the Leadership and resources I can garner from these annexed provinces?
Or am I being too optimistic?

 

[High Wood]

Revolt risk? Yes check your Production screens. Its called suppression.

Military Pol - 3 Garrison -2 Armored car/infantry/cavalry 1

It reduces the chance of revolts, you place them on VPs and resource locations when you conquer someone it works well.

Yes Oliver, I'm aware HOW RR works....

It's just that until TFH, RR in annexed territory could never be suppressed, despite however many troops were there. Only time would bring it down.
Now, however, things seem to be different!

 

[21oliver]

And its needed with all the dam spawnings!

 

[Opanashc]

No Leadership, as that is not affected by RR. Resources, manpower and IC - yes.

 

[CplKatie]

Yes revoltrisk changed in TFH or specifically Nationalism is now effected by suppression somewhat. Its not very effective to try to suppress everything though.

 

[nimrod123]

No Leadership, as that is not affected by RR. Resources, manpower and IC - yes.

or more importantly supply thoughput

 

[CplKatie]

or more importantly supply thoughput

Land that is annexed has the owned and controlled supply throughput, which is significantly higher and better than occupied land. Yes there is a small tax on transfers in annexed, but because the throughput(ceiling limit) is so high, the taxes are nothing until you get to long supply lines. Most of the time, it will be the long lines through occupied land not annexed land that hurts you, thats where the real game can be played for revoltrisk. I think the annex revoltrisk was modified to work with the new underground resistance features.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

RR does not affect IC nor supply throughput only resources and manpower.

 

[CplKatie]

RR does not affect IC nor supply throughput only resources and manpower.

Revoltrisk adds a percentage point to supply taxes which are a part of throughput indirectly. The throughput tooltip wont change but your transfer costs will go sky high in occupied lands easily causing red patchwork in supply map mode.

 

[nimrod123]

RR does not affect IC nor supply throughput only resources and manpower.

um yes it does, thats why the debates over MP BCR's (benifit cost ratio) on the route to moscow happened

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

um yes it does, thats why the debates over MP BCR's (benifit cost ratio) on the route to moscow happened

This is how misunderstandings start; in my first post in this thread I was NOT replying to Katie post (I take a looooong time to write in English).
Under this threads context which is annexed territory I don´t think that RR affects supply throughput because I consistently see annexed provinces (RR of ~4.5-6.0%)provide max throughput at distances of >60 nodes from the supply center (…) Occupation is another story not only the supply throughput is immediately cut in half but it is easy to see that in low suppressed areas the received supply can be much lower than the provinces max supply throughput (i.e. path+infra level+tech levels+minister+horses) can deliver.
Unless someone can prove me wrong I still say that this only applies to provinces under occupation :

PARTISAN_EFFECT_ON_SUPPLY_TAX = 0.02

 

[CplKatie]

This is how misunderstandings start; in my first post in this thread I was NOT replying to Katie post (I take a looooong time to write in English).
Under this threads context which is annexed territory I don´t think that RR affects supply throughput because I consistently see annexed provinces (RR of ~4.5-6.0%)provide max throughput at distances of >60 nodes from the supply center (…) Occupation is another story not only the supply throughput is immediately cut in half but it is easy to see that in low suppressed areas the received supply can be much lower than the provinces max supply throughput (i.e. path+infra level+tech levels+minister+horses) can deliver.
Unless someone can prove me wrong I still say that this only applies to provinces under occupation :

In that same file you will find an "owned and control throughput bonus=2". The reason supply taxes dont hurt so much when you annex is because your max throughput is much much much higher. As I said, suppressing the supply tax penalties with MP's is really only ever needed in occupied land due to the low ceiling or in the case of very very long lines with large armies through annexed land like the polish region as you invad with barbarossa. Furthermore, there is a key difference between revoltrisk in annexed and occupied. Annexed land has a flat RR penalty that does not go out of control if unchecked and provides no sudden issues to supply or resources in the region if left alone other than URs and rebels popping up every once in a while. Occupied land however can and does go out of control if unchecked, the partisan support can be modified by spies and occupation policies and if you don't have suppression the land will get extremely unruly and cause major supply issues.

 

[21oliver]

Very educating tyvm Guys.