Alternative views on the Second World War. Can be dlc?

[Ahimund]

Stalin planned to use Nazi as a proxy against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation. Suvorov argued that Hitler had lost WW2 from the very moment he attacked Poland: not only was he going to war with the powerful Allies, but it was only a matter of time before the Soviet Union would seize the opportune moment to attack him from the rear. This left Hitler with no choice but to direct a preemptive strike at the Soviet Union, while Stalin's forces were redeploying from a defensive to an offensive posture in June 1941, providing Hitler with an important initial tactical advantage. But this was strategically hopeless because the Nazis now had to fight on two fronts, a mistake Hitler himself had identified as Germany's undoing in the previous war. At the end of the war, Stalin was able to achieve only some of his initial objectives by establishing Communist regimes in Eastern Europe, China, and North Korea. According to Suvorov, this made Stalin the primary winner of World War II, even though Stalin was not satisfied by the outcome, as he intended to bring Soviet domination to the whole continent of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Day_(book)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icebreaker_(Suvorov)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov

 

[Pandoricus]

Cool, it makes sense with Stalin's personality, also makes sense why Hitler refused to play along

 

[PhroX]

*sigh*. Not this revisionist bollocks again. Soviet forces were not in any kind of offensive stance in '41 (the units near the borders were in pretty awful positions from a defensive perspective, but that doesn't mean they were in positions to attack - if anything, their positions were best suited to looking impressive and not much else). Hell they were still partway through a massive reorganisation at the time which would've made an offensive impossible.

 

[kviiri]

You do realize the game already supports alt-historical alliances, OP? Germany has a focus to propose Berlin-Moscow faction to the USSR.

 

[Zoob]

The soviets were so prepared to attack Germany first that when the German attack did come they were totally unprepared, disorganised ams the front units were practically obliterated.

Maybe that was the Soviet war plan, to demolish their own army at the start of its "planned invasion" of Germany to lull the Germans into believing they were totally unprepared. And then. .. well then continue to be unprepared and continue to take horrific losses for months.

Yes this plan may have holes, in fact it only stands up while looking for a paper thin justification for Nazi aggression.

List of other countries with nefarious invasion plans the Germans tried to stop by invading first.

Denmark
Belgium
Czechoslovakia
Luxembourg (secret lux assault armies were notorious )
Holland
Austria
Poland

 

[Flipity]

why would you need to have a DLC for this?

 

[MarcoRossolini]

Good old Suvurov...

The only people I see who espouse his views are usually also the ones who believe Hitler and the Nazi party should be given the benefit of the doubt in many areas.

His claims are all utter bollocks, you do know that? Maybe a few years beyond, but when your aircraft are parked in peacetime formations, when half your mechanised forces are undergoing refits, it is extremely unlikely that you will be invading anything anytime soon.

 

[MarcoRossolini]

why would you need to have a DLC for this?

Indeed, you could probably invade as Russia pretty rapidly. You'd go poorly, but you could do it.

 

[ArcandSpark]

If you are looking for anything other than the official story you will have to look for a mod. Anything like that won't be DLC.

I heard that dbmod is a good place to check if you can't find what you want on the steam workshop.

 

[Flipity]

If you are looking for anything other than the official story you will have to look for a mod. Anything like that won't be DLC.

I heard that dbmod is a good place to check if you can't find what you want on the steam workshop.

once again, why would this need a mod or DLC? Can't you just play the game that way. I'm pretty sure you don't have to follow the same day to day decision making as the actual war.

 

[ArcandSpark]

once again, why would this need a mod or DLC? Can't you just play the game that way. I'm pretty sure you don't have to follow the same day to day decision making as the actual war.

I'm not saying it needs to be DLC. Some values might need to be tweaked here and there to make this work as he wants and for that it needs to be modded. Im just saying that anything that would be considered revisionist history might not be sanctioned by paradox and you will have to look for your mod elsewhere.