Almost as Dedicated as the Dedicated European Game of HoI Game (ADDEG-HoI-G)

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Tech Share

Mad, Juv and Viss

We have no tech share at all ... So UK would only be sharing with CW (SA, Canada, NZ, Aussies) and not anyone else .. not iraq , bhutan etc... The issue of CW then redistributing the tech to allies is a minor one. First they dont give out that much, second who cares if Nepal gets a couple of tech.. France is already out, and US is not yet in the allies, and when they will be , they will be ahead on tech anyway.

Re exp forces, limiting to 3 divisions is the same as limiting to 0. this means that you cannot deter agression. I believe in the game you are playing Juv and Mad now Italy is rampaging and has even taken Rumania and Iran, while the soviet looks on, unable to do anything. Massive soviet exp forces in Rumania or Iran for example could have been a real headach for Italy and stopped or delayed this rampage.

 

[Vissarion]

Re: Tech Share

Originally posted by Tomar
The issue of CW then redistributing the tech to allies is a minor one.

Yes, you are correct. I think there should be limitless techsharing between UK and CW (for future games).

I like Chindits suggestion regarding exp. forces (refered to on top of last page).

 

[Cicero]

im very sorry,
but i wont make it on monday before 21:00 CET.

 

[Vissarion]

That definetely sucks, but I'm still in for 21:00- 24:00.

Also 19:00-23:00 tuesday.

 

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Monday September 15

So what's the deal ? Do we play today ?
Yes/ No

Do we play tomorrow ?
Yes/ No

 

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Re: Monday September 15

Originally posted by Tomar
So what's the deal ? Do we play today ?

It sounds like we will play today at 21:00 CET. Myself, I'll start checking Valkyrie and ICQ at 19:00 CET and again later.

Andrew

 

[Vissarion]

We play today at 21:00 CET.

We also play tomorrow if that's fine with everybody.

 

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A short session today. The date is now 3rd November, 1939. Events included:

* German annexation of Poland - Hitler declined to give Stalin a piece of the action.

* Germany also annexed Luxemburg.

* Italian annexation of Greece

* Japanese annexation of the Netherlands East Indies.

* The Royal Navy completed the destruction of the Vichy fleet.

* Japan invaded southern India and advanced up to Bombay.

Andrew

 

[Vissarion]

Some notes:

Australian and NZ troops are fighting very well. I failed grossly in attacking NZ with a 2:1 ratio of troops (in my favour).

Also applause to Chindits who is doing a very good job as UK.


I suggest next game we play 39 scenario with unlimited CW sharing.


Tonight's session starts at 19:00, no?

 

[Vissarion]

Next session is Monday 22th September 18:00 CET.

 

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Last night's session reached March 1940:

* Japan completed the conquest of India as the British cut and ran.

* Race riots in USA (6% dissent)

* Republican Spain is the focus of much attention as Axis war with the Comintern looms.

* Mussolini spends much time with his mistress as Italy enjoys the fruits of its conquests - a welcome period of peace and prosperity.

* Hitler promotes German agriculture to defeat British blockade. To improve the soil, German scientists develop the über-worm. (Cicero is infected by Blaster worm)

Andrew

 

[Vissarion]

Japanese government is suspecting Italy's missing desire to join the Axis might be caused by a communist conspiracy and is ready to take action to save the Italian people from eternal damnation!!

Hehe, no, but they are getting impatient.

 

[Vissarion]

A session might be possible tomorrow (Thursday) evening 20:00 CET.

I have confirmation from Tomar, Jon and Cicero.

So, Andrew and Chindits, can you play tomorrow night?

 

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Thursday is usually a games club night but I might be free this week.

Andrew

 

[Vissarion]

I hope you make it.


I was thinking, if a player country gets couped, what should happen? If for example USSR coups Italy, should Italy be allowed to join/stay in Axis?

Maybe one needs to be of correct government type to join an alliance, democratic for Allies, fascist for Axis and communist for Comitern. What do you think?

 

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Originally posted by Vissarion
I was thinking, if a player country gets couped, what should happen? If for example USSR coups Italy, should Italy be allowed to join/stay in Axis?

Maybe one needs to be of correct government type to join an alliance, democratic for Allies, fascist for Axis and communist for Comitern. What do you think?

I have little direct experience of this but my understanding is:

* if a player country is couped then that player is out of the game. So far as that country is concerned, he has lost the game and so it would be inappropriate to readmit the same player, playing the same country. If I were couped as Italy but still wanted to play, then I would think it best to take over some other country such as Vichy France or Turkey.

* I thought that you needed to have the same general alignment as the alliance leader to join an alliance but I find that this is not the case. The patch notes say, "Asking to join an alliance should now work properly." so I suppose that a change/fix has been made in this area.

Historically, Nationalist China was part of the allies even though it was Paternal Autocrat. I think that should work now but haven't tried it yet with 1.05c. I tried joining all the alliances repeatedly as Nat China with 1.05b but none of them would have me.

The Comintern was formally dissolved in June 1943 and the USSR effectively joined the Allies and, with China, founded the United Nations alongside the western allies (Security Council = USA, UK, USSR, China and France). I don't know if there is a corresponding event or mechanism which can make the same sort of thing happen in the game. Can the USSR ask to join the Allies and be accepted?

In the case of Italy, Marshal Badoglio deposed Mussolini in 43 and the Italian government became Paternal Autocrat, rather than Fascist. But Italy was then effectively split into two puppet governments by the Allied/German forces of occupation and really ceased to exist as a separate power. That's similar to what happened to France historically (Free French vs Vichy) but the game doesn't have a similar event for that yet, I suppose. But Badoglio shows up in the save file as a possible Head of Goverment. Maybe he takes over if there's a coup? Fascist goverments don't have anything like elections, do they?

Andrew

 

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I dont think couping player nations should be allowed.

I don't think you have to be the same goverment type as the alliance you are trying to join, USSR and China joined the allies after all.

hm, maybe you can get Badoglio as HoG if Germany invades Italy and puppets them. Or if you have 2 coups. e.g. first a communist coup followed by a nazi coup!

 

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Originally posted by Vissarion
A session might be possible tomorrow (Thursday) evening 20:00 CET. So, Andrew and Chindits, can you play tomorrow night?

I'll definitely be checking in at this time but we have no word from Chindits ...

Andrew

 

[Vissarion]

I think there might be an event for Italy that simulates Mussolini being overthrown, but in that case it probably doesn't occur until its historical date, and our games are usually over by then.


I don't think you should "lose" if you are couped, but simulating that the player's ideology have taken a drastic turn is difficult to act out.


Well this have never been a problem, it was just a thought.



What do you think would've happened if USSR couped Italy in 37? Would Germany have taken action?

Maybe we should just not allow couping of player countries?

 

[Vissarion]

I have updated the first post. Please read through it and notify me of errors or discuss if there are something you don't agree with.

For your information, Tom is a player who contacted me shortly after we started our current game, and I have promised him a spot for our next game.

It will be exiting to see how a 7 or 8 player game turns out, should it be possible without to much lag/rehosts.