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Doesn't it mean you surrounded Nanking thus cutting off supply of rest of Chinese army? That is sort of exploit, too...
i hope we find a day to continue our game.
as said before i can never play on weeends, this week im free to play tuesday and thursday 19:00 CET till open end.
for future games it will be the best to set one or two days and play weekly.
as said before i can never play on weeends, this week im free to play tuesday and thursday 19:00 CET till open end.
for future games it will be the best to set one or two days and play weekly.
allright, if I haven't made a misstake this is our free nights.
Jon w t f
Viss w f
Cicero t
Chindits w t f
Saladin w t f
Andrew f
Looks like only one player can't make it on friday. I therefor suggest friday at 18 CET.
Anyone who wants to fill in can send me or Vissarion an ICQ message.
Jon w t f
Viss w f
Cicero t
Chindits w t f
Saladin w t f
Andrew f
Looks like only one player can't make it on friday. I therefor suggest friday at 18 CET.
Anyone who wants to fill in can send me or Vissarion an ICQ message.
I can play on thursday if Andrew should also make it. I think we should avoid using stand-ins. The original player most probably play after some sort of plan and pattern, and the standin might not follow this. Also I think most of us would like to finish the game ourselves.
Re surrounding capital. What do you think about this? It's not very realistic that all supplies is in the capital, but what about other effects that is not modeled in the game? For example you can't capture the government, which would lead to chaos.
Should surrounding the capital to starve the army be regarded as an exploit?
Regarding tech rules, whatever we decide we should carry out with no tech sharing in our current game.
Re surrounding capital. What do you think about this? It's not very realistic that all supplies is in the capital, but what about other effects that is not modeled in the game? For example you can't capture the government, which would lead to chaos.
Should surrounding the capital to starve the army be regarded as an exploit?
Regarding tech rules, whatever we decide we should carry out with no tech sharing in our current game.
i managed to change some dates in my timeschedule, i can play on friday now.
so we can continue with all original players.
so we can continue with all original players.
Could we possibly start an hour later at 19 CET. this Friday, instead of 18 CET, because I have a meeting from 16-18?
Then about the ideas of revised house rules and exploits.
Concerning house rules I think we should stick to the present rules as far as possible.
However next game should allow some kind of tech trade specific for the UK in my opinion. Maybe also increase the difficulty a bit. Writing up the house rules like the DEG group would also be an idea.
About whether the surrounding of Nanking and the missing event for the same are exploits my thoughts are these.
The event should alone be activated by Japanese forces taking Nanking not also with a date/year trigger. So the "missing" event is not an exploit as far as I’m concerned it’s a bug.
The surrounding of an enemy capital and consequent lack of supply to the rest of the territory that the enemy holds is not an exploit
Making a house rule against isolating capitals creates new problems. For instance in our current game the remaining French army is isolated in their new capital Strasbourg... a level 6 fortress if I remember correctly, before that it was in Colmar. Making a house rule saying no surrounding of capitals would put the Germans in the impossible and unrealistic situation of having to storm the Maginot line soon after Paris falls, or leave a supply corridor open.
As far as I’ve been able to find out another neutral or allied nation can land oil and supplies in a port present in the isolated land mass of the country having a surrounded capital and thereby supply the isolated units, thereby countering the effectiveness of the surrounding the supply source/capital in a quite realistic manner.
Then about the ideas of revised house rules and exploits.
Concerning house rules I think we should stick to the present rules as far as possible.
However next game should allow some kind of tech trade specific for the UK in my opinion. Maybe also increase the difficulty a bit. Writing up the house rules like the DEG group would also be an idea.
About whether the surrounding of Nanking and the missing event for the same are exploits my thoughts are these.
The event should alone be activated by Japanese forces taking Nanking not also with a date/year trigger. So the "missing" event is not an exploit as far as I’m concerned it’s a bug.
The surrounding of an enemy capital and consequent lack of supply to the rest of the territory that the enemy holds is not an exploit
Making a house rule against isolating capitals creates new problems. For instance in our current game the remaining French army is isolated in their new capital Strasbourg... a level 6 fortress if I remember correctly, before that it was in Colmar. Making a house rule saying no surrounding of capitals would put the Germans in the impossible and unrealistic situation of having to storm the Maginot line soon after Paris falls, or leave a supply corridor open.
As far as I’ve been able to find out another neutral or allied nation can land oil and supplies in a port present in the isolated land mass of the country having a surrounded capital and thereby supply the isolated units, thereby countering the effectiveness of the surrounding the supply source/capital in a quite realistic manner.
After talking to Jon about the Nanking event I’ve realized I misunderstood the Nanking event. There no date trigger.
The exploit is that the when one takes Nanking as the last VP province and quickly thereafter annexes China then the event never happens. The bug is more like that the event doesn’t happen right away after the Japanese player takes Nanking.
Jon will edit the save and adjust US war entry.
The exploit is that the when one takes Nanking as the last VP province and quickly thereafter annexes China then the event never happens. The bug is more like that the event doesn’t happen right away after the Japanese player takes Nanking.
Jon will edit the save and adjust US war entry.
So everyone is availiable at 19:00 CET friday evening?
And what about thursday? If Andrew can make it, i think everyone is availiable.
And what about thursday? If Andrew can make it, i think everyone is availiable.
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Sorry, I'm not available on Thursday - I'm running a HeroClix tournament that evening.
Andrew
Andrew
Anyone wants to fill in as UK or Japan?
ICQ me on 174 338 676 for more info.
We are playing at 19:00 CET today, so hurry!
ICQ me on 174 338 676 for more info.
We are playing at 19:00 CET today, so hurry!
My apologies for not being able to make the start of tonight's session - a sudden emergency at work. Talking with Jon on ICQ just now, he says that the game never got going - how frustrating. Anyway, I'm next available on Saturday, Monday or Tuesday.
Andrew
Andrew
I can't make any promises, but I should be able to play on tuesday, maybe even monday if I'm really lucky.
The game will go on on monday or tuesday regardless if I can make it or not, as I found a stand-in: may I present you the divine Tomar. Tomar will play my part on both monday and tuesday, if the rest of you can make it.
I hope to fix my own connection soon, so I'll be availiable during next week.
I hope to fix my own connection soon, so I'll be availiable during next week.
I have the DEG-game on Monday but if you guy still want to play on that day then I will try to find a stand-in.
We need a session today or tomorrow to maintain momentum. I'm losing track already so here's a recap for my benefit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Vissarion - Japan - group leader and host - possible network problems
Nomen Nescio (Jon) - Italy - deputy leader and host
Cicero - Germany
Chindits - USA
Saladin - USSR - not free on monday
Redawn (Andrew) - UK
Tomar - possible standby
Given that the game started on a Monday, I feel that this ought to be the prime day but Tuesday is just as good for me.
Andrew
Vissarion - Japan - group leader and host - possible network problems
Nomen Nescio (Jon) - Italy - deputy leader and host
Cicero - Germany
Chindits - USA
Saladin - USSR - not free on monday
Redawn (Andrew) - UK
Tomar - possible standby
Given that the game started on a Monday, I feel that this ought to be the prime day but Tuesday is just as good for me.
Andrew