Allow Orthodox Christians to 'Offer to Join War' on Catholic Crusades

[Hunwald]

Hello,

I would like to suggest that Paradox add in the mechanic for Orthodox rulers such as the Basileus of the Byzantine Empire to 'Offer to Join War' on Catholic Crusades for various kingdom titles. This makes quite a lot of sense, as for a long time the Orthodox rulers of Byzantium aided the Catholic crusaders in their reconquest of land in Anatolia and beyond. This would aid more interest to the game, as having the Byzantine Empire join with or against you in a crusade war would be quite the game changer. This makes sense historically, as the First Crusade was in aid of the Basileus Alexios I Komnenos and the Byzantine Empire itself. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade#Situation_in_Europe)

By restricting Orthodox and other Christians from joining Catholic crusades, I feel that there is much unique gameplay amiss.

Thank you.

 

[craotor]

This makes a lot of sense since one of the objectives of the 1st crussade was to mend the schism

 

[Kilkakon]

Of course, later Crusades didn't go so well...

 

[Hunwald]

Of course, later Crusades didn't go so well...

The Fourth Crusade is rather shameful, aye, but it would make sense to have earlier in the era of crusades.

 

[Gurluas]

On the other hand, Crusades are already incredibly OP, able to muster usually over 40k armies.
Having Byzantium add their armies to that pile would make them nearly unstoppable, so, no thanks.

 

[Onisuzume]

The Fourth Crusade is rather shameful, aye, but it would make sense to have earlier in the era of crusades.

And the sixth wasn't even called by the pope.
So we could use that arguement to say that any catholic ruler should be able to call a crusade. (bad idea, likely)

 

[klopkr]

Miaphysite should be allowed to join too. I know for a fact they helped out in some crusades by attacking egypt through the south and one of their most prominent crusaders became a catholic saint.

 

[Hunwald]

On the other hand, Crusades are already incredibly OP, able to muster usually over 40k armies.
Having Byzantium add their armies to that pile would make them nearly unstoppable, so, no thanks.

That's not always true, there are sometimes crusades that kings do not even join. It would also create quite the challenge for people to defend.

 

[aprogressivist]

I don't think it would actually help Miaphysites or Orthodox to be able to join the Crusades: after all, they wouldn't be able to claim land.

Instead, Miaphysite and Orthodox should be encouraged to declare Holy War on the Crusade target if they can: this would more accurately represent the gains that the ERE made under Alexios Komnenos.

 

[NewbieOne]

Byzzies participated in Catholic crusades.

 

[DominusNovus]

I say they should be allowed to join, but that will qualify them for receiving the territory, based on the de jure realm in question, just like Catholic rulers. If its a Crusade for, say, Anatolia, and the Byzantines join in, then the Byzantines will get Anatolia.

 

[NewbieOne]

I say they should be allowed to join, but that will qualify them for receiving the territory, based on the de jure realm in question, just like Catholic rulers. If its a Crusade for, say, Anatolia, and the Byzantines join in, then the Byzantines will get Anatolia.

Well, I'd say the priority in both willingness to join the Catholic crusade and the chance to receive the target in reward should go like this:

1. k_Greece.
2. k_Anatolia.
3. Other de iure BYZ (maybe lower for k_Croatia, as that was a Catholic kingdom)
4. Former ERE (estern half of Old Rome borders), e.g. Syria, Palestine, Egypt.
5. k_Africa
6. k_Mauretania
7. k_Andalusia

And no more priority other maybe then the remaining Spanish and Italian kingdoms.

They should be able to pull off k_Anatolia on opinion alone, while something like Africa maybe through a combination of high opinion and leading contribution.

Perhaps a kingdom claim could be worked in to make it less fast and easy but still possible.

 

[Talq]

Because the entire Catholic world popping up every 30 years to help the Byzantine empire take the east med kingdom by kingdom can't possibly set up consistent horrible balance problems.

^-This is sarcasm. Not a good idea in principle. Very bad at your intended scope.

Incidentally, this is the kind of thing where trying to stick in small things from history actually create very bad results given the mechanics the game uses. The obvious problem is that because there is nothing dealing with the schism in game, if you decide that Byz and te pope are friendly then nothing changes that. In practice, the pope had no interest in strengthening the byzantine empire for much of history, for a number of reasons (they were schismatics after all). The Catholic world trying to help them recapture Africa or Andalusia of all places is just plain silly.