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COH 2 is worse. 80% Axis to 20% allies all the time with matchmaking. I play allied here right now, because i know everybody will want to play Germany for the shiny toys.
 

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Sure, I agree, but I wouldnt say that it deals with a panther - would you? :D I guess it does at below 800metres so to an extend you are right.
Panthers are only 13-14 front bud. If you hit at max range you can easily get 1 shot kills. Only exception would be the king tiger but even then, 1km and you're equal. Also you get like 3 tanks for 1 KT.
 

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I feel & do the same as you :)
I occasionally play CoH in 2v2 with a friend and we are classic switchers using the visual indicator of how many % LFG are Axis.

I found the peoples complaining the most about COH2 MM are actually the ppl who want to play Axis hard. Because if you would not care or would be an Ally player there would be no reason to complain :)
That said its true its sometimes 80:20 but not always the indicator and wait time work pretty well to help balance queues.
 

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Thats one way of seeing it :D. To me its like spending a couple of thousands for a very secure door while leaving the window at the back of the house wide open. The door might be great, no one came through it, its purpose is entirly fulfilled yet still all of my stuff got stolen. But hey, at least they didn't get through the front entry!

No offense but that's the correct way of seeing it.

Do you think a minefield is useless if the enemy doesn't drive straight through it? Do you think minefields cover every inch of a front, and that the idea is to blow up tanks and infantry with the mines? No, actually minefields leave spaces open that force the enemy to attack in the areas you want them to. Same concept with the Maginot line.

Think of it like your burglar is going to break into your house, you know he's coming, and you can't stop him. Instead of him having 10 ways to get in your house, he has only one entrance, and you can sit there watching it with a shotgun.
 

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No offense but that's the correct way of seeing it.

Do you think a minefield is useless if the enemy doesn't drive straight through it? Do you think minefields cover every inch of a front, and that the idea is to blow up tanks and infantry with the mines? No, actually minefields leave spaces open that force the enemy to attack in the areas you want them to. Same concept with the Maginot line.

Think of it like your burglar is going to break into your house, you know he's coming, and you can't stop him. Instead of him having 10 ways to get in your house, he has only one entrance, and you can sit there watching it with a shotgun.

Well France seemed to have forgotten their shotgun
 

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France had almost 150 divisions. They didn't forget their shotgun, they simply missed.

Also I'd contend no one really appreciated how fast mechanized warfare would go. Good money 1939 would have been even with initial German success there would be time to reestablish some sort of order and strategic defensive line.

As the case was the German success knocked the Allies off balance and they never really regained their footing
 

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France had almost 150 divisions. They didn't forget their shotgun, they simply missed.

A miss would require a shot to begin with.

Think of it like your burglar is going to break into your house, you know he's coming, and you can't stop him. Instead of him having 10 ways to get in your house, he has only one entrance, and you can sit there watching it with a shotgun.

To follow your version of the house analogy (also works with the minefield), the door (maginot line) would make sure that the burglar (aka the german) would come trough a specific window (belgium). That did not happen, the whole concept behind the door and with it the door itself failed.
 

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It is a well established fact that the Germans actually won the war through superior tanks alone, but felt so bad for winning as hard as they did, they just let their poor subhuman foes win out of pure noble Teutonic chivalry.
 

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It is a well established fact that the Germans actually won the war through superior tanks alone, but felt so bad for winning as hard as they did, they just let their poor subhuman foes win out of pure noble Teutonic chivalry.

True. Don't believe everything Madmat tells you. In real life the Tiger II was totally invulnerable to any Allied weapon system. It is a well-documented fact that Tiger IIs claimed as "kills" by Anglo-American forces were only taken after they ran out of gas or broke down, and even then the GIs had to resort to tricking the SS crews into unbuttoning - typically by dressing up as attractive frauleins and staging elaborate, bawdy dance numbers. (this is actually how General Rose was killed in action in 1945)

Not all Tiger II crews fell for these tactics. Scattered vehicles, mostly from the 501st Panzerabteilung, continued to hold out in isolated pockets of bocage as late as the 1970s. In 1978 the geriatric crew of the last Konigstiger holdout, turret # 039, finally surrendered after being personally ordered to do so by General von Manteuffel.

KT 039 had been disabled on day 2 of Operation Goodwood by a final drive failure in a defilade position on the Bourguébus Ridge, permitting Montgomery to bypass the tank and win the battle - a brilliant maneuver for which he was knighted several times and which saved the lives of potentially millions of British and Imperial servicemen. By 1978, 039's confirmed kills consisted of over 600 British medium tanks, the entire Northamptonshire Yeomanry, three Lancasters, a Pershing, an unknown-but-large number of French partisans, both of Monty's pet terriers, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the French Fourth Republic, fifteen AMX-30B2s, two Mossad kill teams and HMS Warspite.
 
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True. Don't believe everything Madmat tells you. In real life the Tiger II was totally invulnerable to any Allied weapon system. It is a well-documented fact that Tiger IIs claimed as "kills" by Anglo-American forces were only taken after they ran out of gas or broke down, and even then the GIs had to resort to tricking the SS crews into unbuttoning - typically by dressing up as attractive frauleins and staging elaborate, bawdy dance numbers. (this is actually how General Rose was killed in action in 1945)

Not all Tiger II crews fell for these tactics. Scattered vehicles, mostly from the 501st Panzerabteilung, continued to hold out in isolated pockets of bocage as late as the 1970s. In 1978 the geriatric crew of the last Konigstiger holdout, turret # 039, finally surrendered after being personally ordered to do so by General von Manteuffel.

KT 039 had been disabled on day 2 of Operation Goodwood by a final drive failure in a defilade position on the Bourguébus Ridge, permitting Montgomery to bypass the tank and win the battle - a brilliant maneuver for which he was knighted several times and which saved the lives of potentially millions of British and Imperial servicemen. By 1978, 039's confirmed kills consisted of over 600 British medium tanks, the entire Northamptonshire Yeomanry, three Lancasters, a Pershing, an unknown-but-large number of French partisans, both of Monty's pet terriers, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, the French Fourth Republic, fifteen AMX-30B2s, two Mossad kill teams, and HMS Warspite.

It is a well established fact that despite having overwhelming firepower to sink the entire D-Day fleet, the Germans allowed the Allies to land and head inland simply because as everyone knows, being on a boat is miserable and inhumane (which was the real reason why the U-boat campaign was waged! To save mankind from the boat menace!). It was only once the light pinging of Allied anti-tank fire harmlessly deflecting off of German Panzer IVs became so common that the Germans began to realize that they were being aggressed against! This of course was seen as madness as no one in their right mind would do harm against such a fun loving pack of people like the Nazi Germans, and it took some time for the Germans to respond. Ultimately they decided that it was for the best if they left France to keep the war from getting worse (and on the way out, they helped the French clean up Paris by removing excess, unwanted trinkets! How thoughtful!), but those terrible aggressive Allies just kept following.

Really, quite tragic.
 

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Legend has it there are Tiger IIs holding out in long-lost freight tunnels under the Siegfried Line to this very day. SACEUR records indicate that between 1947 and 1989 more than a dozen NATO tanks inexplicably vanished during maneuvers in the area.

Despite repeated official denials by the governments of France and West Germany, veterans of of 3e DB, stationed with French Forces Germany in the 1980s, still say that if you stand outside the wire at night with a Grundig-brand radio tuned to exactly 1488 Mhz and listen very closely you can just barely make out a child's voice singing Panzerlied.
 

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Legend has it there are Tiger IIs holding out in long-lost freight tunnels under the Siegfried Line to this very day. SACEUR records indicate that between 1947 and 1989 more than a dozen NATO tanks inexplicably vanished during maneuvers in the area.

Despite repeated official denials by the governments of France and West Germany, veterans of of 3e DB, stationed with French Forces Germany in the 1980s, still say that if you stand outside the wire at night with a Grundig-brand radio tuned to exactly 1488 Mhz and listen very closely you can just barely make out a child's voice singing Panzerlied.

The Germans thoughtfully left behind a Tiger II to demonstrate to the various weakling idiot Allied powers just why they shouldn't bother fighting and to leave poor France alone! However the idiot Allies did not get the message, thus dooming Western Civilization and causing every Arab to move to Europe. However in the interest of setting the historical record straight, the following quotes are from the Allied and Soviet attempts to understand the technical marvel that was, the Tiger II:

US "Ordinance" team assessment excerpts:

"....well I am just an idiot cowboy who's mongrel nation never accomplished anything worth talking about because it is inferior to the wonders of German Intelligence and Superior Breeding. I tried to ride that darn Tiger II, put my saddle on it and everything, but I was just too stupid to get it to work! I then discharged my six shooters randomly into several French villages and managed to set a church on fire full of people there of their own will, thus exonerating the noble and brave men of the SS of any possible warcrimes against their best friends forever, the French."

British "Intelligence" team assessment excerpt:

" I approached the Tiger II trembling for I am without the backbone and strength of the master race. I almost touched it before quaking and falling to my knees because I am that much of a coward. My nation only survived because of the DAMNED ENGLISH CHANNEL and ALL THOSE CURSED SPITFIRES AND HURRICANES KILLING INNOCENT GERMAN SKY TOURISTS. I then crawled into a corner and suckled tea from a bottle because I am just that weak compared to the German People Who Should Rule Over Me"

Soviet Ape Men assessment except:

Sounds of inhuman screeching and claws scraping on Kruppstalh, immune to their subhuman efforts, loud shreiking as the Soviet ape men realize their vast inferiority to the German Mind.
 

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