Allies donating money to the enemies, we are at war with?

[Commander-DK]

Is there some sort of bug in the AI?

Playing as Muscovy / Russia, I have seen my ally, Livonia, donate money to the Golden Horde, while I was at war with them!?

And later on, Poland-Lithuania's ally Wolgast donated money to Crimea, while Poland and Lithuania was fighting a war with Crimea!?

 

[prismaticmarcus]

not funny. not funny at all.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

Is there some sort of bug in the AI?

Playing as Muscovy / Russia, I have seen my ally, Livonia, donate money to the Golden Horde, while I was at war with them!?

And later on, Poland-Lithuania's ally Wolgast donated money to Crimea, while Poland and Lithuania was fighting a war with Crimea!?

Clearly the AI is playing 4D chess.

They are weakening you while building up their forces to strike at you.

 

[Commander-DK]

not funny. not funny at all.

Not sure if you are commenting on my post, or the people laughing at my post?

I am asking a genuine question from a genuine game with a genuine problem.

 

[prismaticmarcus]

Not sure if you are commenting on my post, or the people laughing at my post?

I am asking a genuine question from a genuine game with a genuine problem.

i was the first person who laughed (not at your post, but at your situation) and thought i'd correct myself.

 

[PDXJon]

Is there some sort of bug in the AI?

Playing as Muscovy / Russia, I have seen my ally, Livonia, donate money to the Golden Horde, while I was at war with them!?

And later on, Poland-Lithuania's ally Wolgast donated money to Crimea, while Poland and Lithuania was fighting a war with Crimea!?

It’s a trait and I don’t think alliances affect it. I wonder what makes a tag target another tag? Kind-hearted and benevolent are the only ones I can think of that cause a tag to send gifts. I’ve seen it go to allies and enemies.

 

[Commander-DK]

It’s a trait and I don’t think alliances affect it. I wonder what makes a tag target another tag? Kind-hearted and benevolent are the only ones I can think of that cause a tag to send gifts. I’ve seen it go to allies and enemies.

Interesting. But that is really stupid - if Benevolent or Kind-hearted trumphs who you are allied with and who they are at war with.

 

[PDXJon]

Interesting. But that is really stupid - if Benevolent or Kind-hearted trumphs who you are allied with and who they are at war with.

There may be some hidden modifiers on who the AI gifts, but I haven’t seen any patterns in their behavior. It may be completely random. It’s funny when you get an insignificant gift from a tiny nation when you own most of a continent.

 

[Nostalgium]

Interesting. But that is really stupid - if Benevolent or Kind-hearted trumphs who you are allied with and who they are at war with.

"Here are the latest battle reports from our ally's doings in Crimea. They took the city."
"Oh, the poor children of Crimea! We must send a relief package."
"But won't that just be used to--"
"I won't hear it! Pack up 250 ducats and send them to help the sick and starving!"

 

[beaver79]

I've noticed that your allies sometimes really want to mess with your expansion. Not always, but in certain situations they will ally or guarantee every OPM that you have a claim on.

For example I was Ethiopia and allied with the Ottomans. After we took out the Mamluks he allied Funj, Malinda, an OPM Kilwa I was about to kill, Matupa, and then the Western African nations I had claims on. He was 6000 in debt the whole game, so he never joined those wars, but it's obvious he was being passive aggressive with me. This was with 100 trust as well.

 

[Opanashc]

Sounds like something the player would do, so that his AI allies don't grow too strong.

 

[dD_ShockTrooper]

It's weird behaviour but it sounds incredibly funny. There's probably some factors that justify it in the AI calculations like them being threatened/at war with someone else that isn't you, and the ally just isn't taking you into account.

 

[RobbieAB]

Sounds like something the player would do, so that his AI allies don't grow too strong.

Of course, tricks like this are fine when it is the player, but most be a major bug when the AI does it.

 

[Darsara]

A few months ago I'd played a game as Ajam, became Shiite and reformed Timurids; the whole time, I'd had Mazandaran as a close friend and ally. Eventually, they were constantly giving money to my enemies and allying several of them. They went through several rulers while doing that, and I don;t think all of them had Kind-Hearted or Benevolent. Anyway, it didn't slow me down and eventually I annexed them for it after they allied with Qara Qoylunu a third time after letting them off easy the first two times.

 

[Andrew0Red]

In older versions of EU, the AIs would cycle money around themselves as gifts to keep up their relations. May this be some hold-over of that?

 

[Darsara]

Actually, since I'm thinking about it: there's a related issue with the way the game will still act like you've betrayed your ally by breaking the alliance with them after have not only funded your enemies but literally insulted you.

 

[Roland Traveler]

Actually, since I'm thinking about it: there's a related issue with the way the game will still act like you've betrayed your ally by breaking the alliance with them after have not only funded your enemies but literally insulted you.

It was just a prank, bro. You didn’t have to take it so seriously.

 

[Syrus]

I've noticed this many times before since many versions ago and can only consider it a bug.
Often times your ally will even send ducats to their rival while you are at war with said rival.
My assumption is, that the "target" for whom the AI sends money to is just wrong, I cannot believe this to be working as intended.

Would have reported it as a bug long ago, but it's a rather minor issue and at the time I never felt like it was worth my time reporting, considering the low chance of it being fixed - or people even telling me that it is "intentional"*.


*'My allies sending their rivals money because I'm at war with them' does not make any sense in a realistic way. And even for "game balance" or to make the game harder for the player it's just ridiculous. If nations with good relations towards the target supported them with money, that'd make sense, or if my allies helped me when I'm at war with someone they strongly dislike, that also makes sense. But helping another country, without regard for the relation, because the player is at war with them is just wrong.
Actually felt like, the worse their relation towards the target is, the more likely it is that my allies will send them money.

 

[Darsara]

It was just a prank, bro. You didn’t have to take it so seriously.

The hall is silent as the Shah prepared to sign the documents, surrendering Sari and Golestan, as well as the sovereignty of what little remained of the realm over to the representative of the Timurid Padishah.

In the distant back, an official from the diplomatic court leans over to his fellow, whisper on his lips, "You know, I think I figured out what went wrong there."
"Oh, have you?" the other says, sarcasm all but dripping from his lips.
"Yes," says the first, oblivious to tone. "We need to invent a funnier font. That way, people will know we're joking!"
"That.. is brilliant!"
"Oh, I can see our next joke already!"