Allies but not, What's going on here?

[Burned Coffee]

I joined a holy war and send some troops to help this siege ( troops not pictured) but then I realize that the main claimant with an ally is unable to keep on sieging even when another ally and him ad up to 7k + soldiers, I am not even sure who the "followers of Arjuna" are, holy order maybe?

And he's loosing the war because 2 counties away there's a 2k army sieging his land

Also, I actually just tried to jump in on the siege and it did not add to the number... So I think he's in 2 different wars. Why is the AI holy order just standing there... my current idea is that the allies only assist sieges that are relevant to the claim that is relevant, right? however the ally not moving is weird.

Anyhow, does anybody knows why, and how to push the AI to stop this?

 

[StarSword]

Anyhow, does anybody knows why, and how to push the AI to stop this?

First off, you're right: the Followers of Arjuna are the Hindu-specific holy order.

The AI can be pretty stupid about sieges sometimes. I've got a 400-some-odd Viking raiding party sitting in Ulaidh (Ulster) right now accomplishing nothing other than keeping me from raising those levies: they're not even getting any loot; my current working hypothesis is they've taken over the local brewery and are busy getting plastered. The AI will also never assault even if they could quickly win with minor casualties.

First thing I'd check is the status window of the order's leader, see what his diplomatic status is (i.e. which wars he's engaged in and which hostiles he's hitting). Off the top of my head, Hindus can raid, so he might not even be involved in your war in the first place.

 

[Dryhad]

Holy orders can't fight against coreligionists, so the Followers of Arjuna will refuse to siege a Hindu province. Apparently, though, they're attached to a unit that has decided to siege that province anyway, possibly because the AI doesn't understand that those 7000 troops aren't going to do anything.

 

[Burned Coffee]

I figured as much, originally I was going to switch just to push those troops to attack but I gave up that campaign out of frustration,

Aren't I fickle, probably the first time I actually got irked by the AI.

I suppose there's no console command to make the AI reset their strategy to try to change this state.

 

[Xinkc]

AI in general are trash at fighting holy wars this patch unless they're big enough to solo the target because of bugs regarding those wars. They're pretty useless as allies in holy wars (offensive and defensive) as well.

One can really see the issues fighting holy wars against the Umayyads in the Charlemagne start.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

The AI will also never assault even if they could quickly win with minor casualties.

That is definitely wrong. The AI assaults all the time when it has large enough stacks.

 

[StarSword]

AI in general are trash at fighting holy wars this patch unless they're big enough to solo the target because of bugs regarding those wars. They're pretty useless as allies in holy wars (offensive and defensive) as well.

One can really see the issues fighting holy wars against the Umayyads in the Charlemagne start.

What do you mean? I didn't see any issues with Noregr-Svipjod (both kingdoms are held by the same Viking kuksugare in my game) and everybody else in Scandinavia, Jomsvikings included, fighting me when I holy-warred for Austisland, just some weirdness I attributed to the terrain.* I also saw my allies in Wessex and Sacz take a leaf out of my own playbook and (try to) occupy the enemy homelands. They're as smart as ever from what I can tell (which isn't saying much).

* I've controlled Vestisland for decades as King of Ireland in my game, so after my British-French alliance fully occupied Austisland, any Vikings who landed to try and take back the holdings got trapped with nowhere to retreat (apparently they can't just go back to the knorr ships if they're set as armies instead of raiders; there's still an 1800-man Swedish army camped out in Austisland two years after I turned it into an Irish prince-bishopric), and were therefore slaughtered by our superior forces. That was literally the only reason I won that holy war: despite outnumbering my entire alliance by an order of magnitude, the Norse kept focusing on occupied Iceland instead of trying to counter-conquer my home territories.

That is definitely wrong. The AI assaults all the time when it has large enough stacks.

Okay, my bad. Must take a ridiculous-sized stack, though, because I've seen the AI refuse to assault targets they outnumber ten to one.

 

[Maeldun]

Okay, my bad. Must take a ridiculous-sized stack, though, because I've seen the AI refuse to assault targets they outnumber ten to one.

The 10 to 1 ratio is the standard setting (defines.lua) and assumes the sieging army is at full morale. If they are not at full morale, they will not assault the holding at a mere 10 to 1 ratio.

 

[szmik]

Holy orders in India are kind of messing up AI. My hindu country is fighting another one, but my ally is buddhist, so my enemy gets hindu holy order, except it doesn't fight me at all. But it fights my allies armies no problem, even in the same province as my siege is going on and my army is watching the fun.
There might be some issues with it.