Allied with my vassal!

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Started a game as King of England. William allied with France - very useful, in a previous game such an alliance allowed me to steal Vexin from France when the county rebelled.

William dies and the alliance with France ceases. Robert takes over. I try to renew alliance with France and discover that Robert, whilst Duke of Normandy, allied with the County of Leicester and is still in that alliance. So the Kingdom of England is allied with one of its own vassals (actually a vassal of a vassal). Wtf? I don't want this alliance. Is there any way out of this situation short of editing the save file (or provoking war with Leicester)?

The situation did resolve itself when Robert died but was pretty stupid and annoying at the time. I'm sure it's been said before but there needs to be some way of alliances either expiring or a way of ending them without your ruler dying.

 

[Cuke]

William dies and the alliance with France ceases. Robert takes over. I try to renew alliance with France and discover that Robert, whilst Duke of Normandy, allied with the County of Leicester and is still in that alliance. So the Kingdom of England is allied with one of its own vassals (actually a vassal of a vassal). Wtf? I don't want this alliance. Is there any way out of this situation short of editing the save file (or provoking war with Leicester)?

The situation did resolve itself when Robert died but was pretty stupid and annoying at the time. I'm sure it's been said before but there needs to be some way of alliances either expiring or a way of ending them without your ruler dying.

AFAIK Robert made the alliance while his loyalty was below 50% during William's reign. Usually alliances between vassals dissolve when their loyalty increases back but I have never seen the alliance between a king and a vassal do that.

 

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You might have killed the count of Leicester instead. It can be annoying at times, but since alliances are between persons and not titles, it's pretty much working as designed, unless alliance system as a whole is altered, which I don't expect to be happening anytime soon, if at all.

 

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Wouldn't it be possible to check whether an alliance has become a vassal/liege relationship whenever someone has a change of primary title? If you insist on the vassal ally oddity, shouldn't it at least give them a loyalty bonus?

 

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Yes, it probably would theoretically be possible, but the real question is, is the problem big enough to warrant the time required from Johan to do so?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Well asking that question is answering it

Alliances are a nice add on to the game but not that important in my opinion to spent precious programming time on.