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ryu2999

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I am playing as Prussia (from TO) and have a problem that I seem to be stuck in "Allied in a war" with Byzantium. We have never been allies and neither of us are at war! There are no PU links or anything and the Offer Allaince dimplomacy option is yellow and available to select.

This has gone on for many gmae years (ever since they formed i believe) and I have ignored it up to now but now have a misson to conquer one of their provence's.

Has anyone had anything like this before and if so how did you break the alliance?

The only common link I can see is that we are both allied with Novgorod but I don't want to break this alliance if i can get away with it.
 

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I had this in a Prussian game, we had a couple on and off alliances but then it just got stuck in Allied in a war and stayed that way the rest of the game.
 

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I had this in a Manchu game with Ming...really irritating!
 

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I've had this with the Ottomans as Morocco. I almost went nuts trying to get rid of it, but in the end could not. It only ended when Ottomans collapsed under rebels. Has it been reported as a bug?

I went through all the wars and alliances in the save game, and could not find any in which the Ottomans and I were on the same team.

On an unrelated note, vassals pay tribute to hordes indefinitely. Possibly also a bug.
 

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I'd suggest posting in the bugreports forum.
On an unrelated note, vassals pay tribute to hordes indefinitely. Possibly also a bug.
Considering how tribute works I'd suspect it may be WAD, just bad design. Still I'd report it in bugreports forum with details.
 

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You should be able to break the alliance by attacking either one of their allies or someone they guarantee. :)

Nope, this did not work. No act of elaborate tag-switching diplomacy or even save game editing could fix it. As i said, it only went away when the Ottomans (mercifully) collapsed.

Terrible bug. Hopefully it'll get fixed.
 

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Actually, yes, I have a backup where the problem is evident.

If the attachment thingy worked it should be here:
View attachment 40174

Load up as Morocco and behold your great, big, insufferable Ottoman friend. Behold, how attacking his allies does nothing and you are bound by a friendship which transcends all reason.
 

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Yeah, I was playing A Russia game, and I was stuck in an alliance with(of all nations) Tibet. I couldn't get rid of it either. Even declaring war on their allies didn't break it. I had to annex from the console out of sheer annoyance.
 

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I haz teh solution!

At line 1634290 (give or take) you should find the following segment:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="7th Chagatai Khanate-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1677.8.28=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1677.8.29=
		{
			rem_attacker="CHG"
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		1684.4.1=
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			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	defender="MOR"
	original_attacker="CHG"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1677.8.8"
}
And at line 1634241:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="4th Oirat Horde-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1675.3.18=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
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		1675.3.19=
		{
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		1684.4.1=
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			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	defender="MOR"
	original_attacker="OIR"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1675.2.24"
}
And at line 1634168:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="6th Chagatai Khanate-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1672.5.4=
		{
			battle=
			{
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				location=461
				result=yes
				attacker=
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					country="CHG"
					commander=""
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				defender=
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					infantry=3000
					losses=77
					country="KZH"
					commander=""
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			}
		}
		1672.8.7=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1672.8.8=
		{
			rem_attacker="CHG"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	defender="MOR"
	original_attacker="CHG"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1672.5.4"
}
And at line 1634141:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="3rd Oirat Horde-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1670.2.23=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1670.2.24=
		{
			rem_attacker="OIR"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	defender="MOR"
	original_attacker="OIR"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1670.2.19"
}
And at line 1634020:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="5th Chagatai Khanate-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1666.8.5=
		{
			battle=
			{
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				location=477
				result=yes
				attacker=
				{
					cavalry=5000
					infantry=2000
					losses=0
					country="CHG"
					commander="Yûsuf II Qara Koyunlu"
				}
				defender=
				{
					infantry=1000
					losses=1000
					country="KZH"
					commander="Shigay Yekedai"
				}
			}
		}
		1666.12.5=
		{
			battle=
			{
				name="Nadym"
				location=477
				result=no
				attacker=
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					infantry=2000
					losses=7000
					country="CHG"
					commander=""
				}
				defender=
				{
					cavalry=17000
					artillery=3000
					infantry=6000
					losses=27
					country="TUR"
					commander=""
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			}
		}
		1666.12.21=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1666.12.22=
		{
			rem_attacker="CHG"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="MOR"
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	original_attacker="CHG"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1666.12.5"
}
And at line 1633993:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="2nd Oirat Horde-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1665.2.18=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1665.2.19=
		{
			rem_attacker="OIR"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="MOR"
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	original_attacker="OIR"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1665.2.3"
}
And at line 1633922:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="4th Chagatai Khanate-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1661.7.29=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1661.7.30=
		{
			rem_attacker="CHG"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="MOR"
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	original_attacker="CHG"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1661.7.10"
}
And at line 1633811:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="3rd Chagatai Khanate-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1656.7.9=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1656.7.10=
		{
			rem_attacker="CHG"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	defender="MOR"
	original_attacker="CHG"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1656.5.25"
}
And at line 1628287:
Code:
active_war=
{
	name="14th Timurid-Ottoman War"
	history=
	{
		1642.7.6=
		{
			add_defender="MOR"
		}
		1642.7.7=
		{
			rem_attacker="TIM"
		}
		1684.4.1=
		{
			rem_defender="WAL"
		}
	}
	defender="MOR"
	defender="TUR"
	defender="SER"
	defender="SIB"
	defender="KZH"
	original_attacker="TIM"
	original_defender="TUR"
	action="1642.5.7"
}

Delete all of them, start the game and load up the save and you should no longer be plagued by a great, big, insufferable Ottoman friend. ;)

The cause seems to be that wars, in particular ones involving hordes, isn't properly ended by the game. Most of them do not affect the game in any way since it's usually 1x horde vs 1x random nation and so when one country disappears and the war is left unended there's no residual "Allied in war" left. And there were ALOT of unended wars, load that game as the ottomans instead and end the war against hinduistan, once you're at peace you'll notice that you're also allied in war with both Kazakh and Sibir due to unended wars.

So did you play the game with any mod? If not then this should definately be in the bug report forum.
 

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Could it be you all share a border with the Golden Horde? Horde attacks Novgorod, you both get called to war, but don't automatically peace out with the Horde because of borders, so you are forced to sit it out until Novgorod makes peace with the Horde, which might never happen because of neither side getting warscore?

Edit: yeah, pretty much what ^ said and found a solution for. Unwanted Horde mechanics.
 

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Sorry to dig up this old thread but I had not looked at it since before the fix from Alanthiras.

Did what you said and it worked perfectly, many thanks!

I think this thread should be moved to the bug reports or at least stickied so people know how to fix thier games, it seems a lot of GH wars remain as active within the code.
 

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Two years later and this bug still isn't fixed - I hoped it would be fixed since I last played the game (back before Beta 5.1 patch).

Sigh. I have a permanent bogus alliance with Hungary (who I need to DW on) because they were a vassal of Novgrod whom I once had an alliance with. A fundamental gameplay bug that needs to be fixed Paradox.
 

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its a quite rare bug thought, and easy to handle with a save game edit

but anyhow, report any case of it in the bugs forum, and provide paradox with as much data as possible so that they can fix it