Why is it if i offer an alliance to a country an alliance ( a contry i have never been to war with ) it says its impossible. What are the reasons for it being impossible? Thanks in advance.
Alliance Impossible?
- Thread starter unmerged(65334)
- Start date
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Usually that they already have 3 allies, or that your relations suck (-100 or worse), despite never having been at war.Lancea Quantum said:
Your BB also affects the chance to make diplomatic moves as well as your King/Queen's Diplomacy rating
Do countries "remember" previous wars? I have a neighbouring country that I went to war with in the beginning of the game, but we've now "made up" and I've been showering with gifts to improve relations towards diplo-annex. Royal marriage is granted fine, but alliance still shows as 'Impossible'. I can't help a sneaky suspicion that they have a long memory about my earlier DoW.
I doubt it: war, force-vassalize, gifts, alliance, diplo-annex is a long and time-honored EU strategy.kanukki said:
Good good. I'll keep trying then. It may be that they are just 'full' of alliance partners. I didn't realize that there was a limit, so I'll have to check that.
kanukki said:
Don't think so, they didn't in real life either, or they did remember it, but they still fought along side a few years later afther they fought eachother, plenty of examples in history of that.
kanukki said:
I have about 20 allies though... (i invade a larger country then release vassals)
The player can have any number of allies. If you look at AI countries, though, you'll see they sort of top out at 2 or 3 each.Lancea Quantum said:
Not entirely true. I have seen AIs with six or seven allies (however this may have been France's pre-defined vassal-alliance..?).ulmont said:
Riga, the Knights, Mecklenburg and a load of other factions seem to ally together for no reason at the start.
In my last game playing the Papal States, I vassalized Swahili but for some reason was unable to invite them to my alliance - even after raising relations to 200. It said "Impossible" every time I tried to invite them.
This is something I've only seen once, though. Normally I have no problems inviting vassals into my alliance once I raise relations high enough.
This is something I've only seen once, though. Normally I have no problems inviting vassals into my alliance once I raise relations high enough.
maybe this depends on the religion. i also have problems to invite marocco, oman and jemen into my alliance although they are my vasalls
Manziel said:
No, I don't think it has anything to do with religion. Up until my inexplicable problem with Swahili, I never had a problem inviting vassalized nations with different religions into my alliance once I got relations up to an acceptable level. In that game I conquered all of Africa and the Middle East, so if religion were an issue I think I would have noticed.
I think I've -not- gotten "Impossible" two or three times. I didn't check every situation as I was more interested in playing the game than figuring out why it kept saying Impossible, so I honestly couldn't give an explanation, but it's happened across several games that I've played in several different techgroups.
I had the same question (and found this thread when I googled).
Playing my first game as the Papal States, I went with the strategy of war-forcevassalize-ally-attacknextvictim. Most of the time it worked great, because the new vassal had +200 relations and was quite obedient... worked for Siena, Modena, and Ferrara (which I created as a vassal). But for no apparent reason it didn't work for either Mantua (which has a few legacy RM's and CB's but nothing that looks serious) or Avignon (which I created as a vassal and has a diplomatic "blank slate" and +200 relations).
In the case of Avignon I'm wondering if it's because I don't have a land connection and therefore I'm considered a poor ally... but in the case of Mantua, I owned Ferrara at the time (although it wasn't a core) and still got "impossible" when I tried to ally.
Anyways, I find the whole thing to be BIZARE... I don't get why some +200 vassals would be jumping for joy to ally while others are impossible.
And NONE of them have an alliance with another country.
Playing my first game as the Papal States, I went with the strategy of war-forcevassalize-ally-attacknextvictim. Most of the time it worked great, because the new vassal had +200 relations and was quite obedient... worked for Siena, Modena, and Ferrara (which I created as a vassal). But for no apparent reason it didn't work for either Mantua (which has a few legacy RM's and CB's but nothing that looks serious) or Avignon (which I created as a vassal and has a diplomatic "blank slate" and +200 relations).
In the case of Avignon I'm wondering if it's because I don't have a land connection and therefore I'm considered a poor ally... but in the case of Mantua, I owned Ferrara at the time (although it wasn't a core) and still got "impossible" when I tried to ally.
Anyways, I find the whole thing to be BIZARE... I don't get why some +200 vassals would be jumping for joy to ally while others are impossible.
And NONE of them have an alliance with another country.
Nerva said:
Dead thread necromancy is baaaad... your vassals are resenting you for it!
I do notice what you are describing, though. In my latest game it happened for (and only for) Bremen, and the only thing special about Bremen was that it was Protestant while I, as Austria, was faithfully catholic...
It seems to me that if you have more than 3 non-vassal allies already, the AI is loathe to ally with you as well (nor will they accept if they already have several allies of their own).
Also being a neighbour certainly seems to make it easier to ge them to accept.
Also being a neighbour certainly seems to make it easier to ge them to accept.
Would you prefer I start a NEW thread about an unanswered question?
Keep in mind I'm talking about vassals here, which by definition have no other allies.
I did find another thread that also mentioned the no-land-connection hypothesis (I think they said it was added in Napoleon's Ambition). But, like I said, Mantua wouldn't ally, even when I had a land connection via Ferrara at the time. Again, perhaps it requires a CORE province on their border?
There was also some speculation in that thread that one-province minors (in particular) don't like to ally if you have too many alliances (or some other factor), but I was able to get additional one-province allies later on... just not PARTICULAR ones... So I don't think it's a function of the size of the proposed ally. It also proves that it's not a function of how many allies I have, because I was still able to form more alliances with OTHER vassals. It's just that some alliances with vassals are clearly possible while other alliances with vassals are clearly not possible.
Keep in mind I'm talking about vassals here, which by definition have no other allies.
I did find another thread that also mentioned the no-land-connection hypothesis (I think they said it was added in Napoleon's Ambition). But, like I said, Mantua wouldn't ally, even when I had a land connection via Ferrara at the time. Again, perhaps it requires a CORE province on their border?
There was also some speculation in that thread that one-province minors (in particular) don't like to ally if you have too many alliances (or some other factor), but I was able to get additional one-province allies later on... just not PARTICULAR ones... So I don't think it's a function of the size of the proposed ally. It also proves that it's not a function of how many allies I have, because I was still able to form more alliances with OTHER vassals. It's just that some alliances with vassals are clearly possible while other alliances with vassals are clearly not possible.