Alliance Barriers

[DesertSnow]

For those who don't know this already, the term "alliance peace barriers" refers to the impossibility (through hard coding) to achieve peace between major alliances through the diplomacy system, unless using the "accept all" cheat. Peace between axis, allies, commitern can only be achieved through events (like "bitter peace")

I know that this system was implemented to avoid "give me munich and 30 gold pieces" situations, yet it remains a crude way that limits player options.

A user found a clever workaround, which i tried. Let me tell you that it was the best game of HOI2 i ever had. There is room for exploitation, but generally the built-in diplomacy system works fine. Now I only play this way.

I think that there should be (in a next add-on to HoI2 or in HoI3) an option to turn the barrier off, something like the "democracy can declare war" option in Armageddon).

In general, your diplomacy system works WELL, so why should you obsolute it in such a crude fashion? Let the choice to the player. Diplomacy is a major part of "grand strategy games", and since YOU have ALREADY made a COMPETENT diplomacy system, please let us use it if we choose so.

A dedicated HoI fan.

 

[Balesir]

So, um, what was the workaround?

 

[DesertSnow]

You just have to edit the files of the scenario (inside the "scenarios" folder) using wordpad (i use "just" because it is really easy).

Inside the files (near the top IIRC), there are the "existing" alliances.

There you will see "AXIS", "ALLIES", "COMMINTERN", and also third party alliances (if existant) which are numbered.

Next to the word or number, there are brackets that contain the countries in each of the alliances.

The trick is simple yet clever. Create a new alliance (choose a free number) and put all members of the ALLIES there (just copy the bracket area), then remove them from the "ALLIES" alliance. Put ETH (Ethiopia) between the brackets in their place. The result is
1.Ethiopia is the only member of the allies, so after Italy annexes Eth---> no more ALLIES
2.Britain, France etc are now members of a "typical" alliance, so they are no longer restricted by the alliance barriers.

Do the same thing with the "COMMINTERN" alliance (i put ALB=albania as their only member, so after albanian annexation---> no more Commintern).

In the case of Axis, you don't have to create a new alliance (if you are playing the 36' scenario, Germany is the only AXIS member at game start). Just put Austria (IIRC AUS is their tag but i could be confusing it with Australia) between the brackets. So, after Anssluss--> no more Axis.

In your game as Germany, just offer alliances as in the normal game.

So far i haven't seen seroius problems with events, but you never know until you come across one.

 

[TZoli]

So does this effect the countries that want to ally with these nations? Not by events like Poland but like normal countries like Hungary? Or this is no affet on joining an alliance ruled by the axis, allies etc?

 

[DesertSnow]

I don't think it does (so far, playing as Germany, the countries that want to ally with me are the usual ones). I believe that "diplomacy resistances" in each country's AI file refer to nations and not alliances, so no change is expected.

But there is sth that changes: I don't think you can invite members of other alliances to your group. In my current game Japan is allied with its puppet, Nat. China (usual in DAIM). In the normal game, Germany can invide Japan to the Axis and if the answer is "yes", japan AND its puppets join the axis. This isn't possible if Germany leads a "typical" alliance and not the "AXIS".