All this kings horses, and all things king's men, could not get rid of the AI's stupidity

[Ultrix Prime]

In many of my games my AI allies are there to guard my back in Europe while I conquer Asia and Africa. Thus I answer CTAs to keep them strong and help them stay strong wile I focus on the conquest that matters to me. However as the game progresses the AI allies do seem to start grossly overestimating the AI so chances of winning even with my full and undivided help. Even with full commitment there always seems to be a point where the AI decides that I can help it win against much larger enemy forces than our combined forces. I believe this may be the point the OP was trying to make.

So more simply as the overall numbers increase the AI seems to miscalculate the chance of victory more as the game progresses.

 

[Peachrocks]

The problem isn't just the white peacing at silly times, it's the whole fact that in many cases you have little to gain by actively fighting someone else's war because the leader can end it at any time they see fit and on any terms regardless of how much or how little they contributed.

Take the Norway thread where England called me against Scotland who was allied to Sweden, I wanted to attack Sweden so joining that war would have resulted in a truce where I could do nothing because England would never give me any Swedish lands regardless of how much of them I occupied, so instead I declared my own war on Sweden so I could settle things on my terms.

 

[wraithstalke]

I think the AI will try and give you claimed/cored land that is occupied.

My big problem is Catholic OPMs when I am defender of the faith.
They get DoW'd by a neighbour, call me in, and white peace out, even though the neighbour has cores of theirs.

So naturally 5 years later they get DoW'd again. (was mainly in 1.12)

 

[deckhand]

The AI got a bit dumber after forts were added. I had a war against Hungary where my PU Lithuania had 22k troops just sit in the capital the entire time. I understand Novgorod, but Hungary should be close enough to attack. They also acted like a sleep deprived teenager when I fought Golden Horde - Nogai even came up and was sieging down their own provinces with little to no reaction from Lith troops.

Was Lithuania perhaps disloyal? What was their liberty desire?

 

[Shaaaq]

The problem isn't nations going to war with nations that have stronger alliances than them; this happened historically and it can make for some decent gameplay instead of a snooze fest when you become huge.
The problem is how do you code an AI to know when to peace out the way humans do.

Right now they can either be adamant on war even if they are on the verge of destruction or quick to end a war that has been going on for a long time even if they are about to start winning; there is an happy medium between them but that is what we have currently and it isn't perfect either.

I know realism arguments aren't the best for gameplay but if we went along those lines: human players should be pressured to peace out of a war they are losing even if they can easily win it later or wars that they are winning but have used too much manpower/money to wage.

 

[Peachrocks]

I think the AI will try and give you claimed/cored land that is occupied.

My big problem is Catholic OPMs when I am defender of the faith.
They get DoW'd by a neighbour, call me in, and white peace out, even though the neighbour has cores of theirs.

So naturally 5 years later they get DoW'd again. (was mainly in 1.12)

Not always and it's very rare if the target is not a co-belligerent which in this case they weren't, as in they weren't the primary target of the war. In any case, I've been burned way too many times helping 'allies' to the point where I almost never do it and I'm much better off for it. I'll be in the war with them and won't dishonor but will I lift a finger beyond that? Nope. Tell me why I should? Allies are pretty damn expendable anyway...

I'd like to treat my allies with respect and build up a lovely relationship full of both sides giving but experience tells me this just isn't practical. People might remember that I put up a 'Luigia' game where the rule was I could not build any military units (Luigi wins by doing nothing), I ended up being easily number 1 in score just by abusing allies.

 

[ChildeR]

What´s the benefit to Prussia changing Novgorod´s Government type when they´ll end up being enemies? I confused, master.

A CB is just an excuse. The real reason could be anything.

 

[PedroVargas]

A CB is just an excuse. The real reason could be anything.

True that. If you use religious CB you barely ever change the other countries religion (except as the emperor perhaps) - land is what you want.

Off-topic: Which I actually kind of dislike. The AI in the HRE should use forced religious conversions a lot more often when they get enough war score.

 

[Peachrocks]

True that. If you use religious CB you barely ever change the other countries religion (except as the emperor perhaps) - land is what you want.

Off-topic: Which I actually kind of dislike. The AI in the HRE should use forced religious conversions a lot more often when they get enough war score.

There's a reason though that the religious CB gives no diplomatic cost on taking land. It's taking it away from heathens and heretics and making it used by those who follow the true faith . Besides you can't convert heathens anyway. Not sure if you can even if they could be converted by rebels.

 

[wraithstalke]

Not always and it's very rare if the target is not a co-belligerent which in this case they weren't, as in they weren't the primary target of the war. In any case, I've been burned way too many times helping 'allies' to the point where I almost never do it and I'm much better off for it. I'll be in the war with them and won't dishonor but will I lift a finger beyond that? Nope. Tell me why I should? Allies are pretty damn expendable anyway...

I'd like to treat my allies with respect and build up a lovely relationship full of both sides giving but experience tells me this just isn't practical. People might remember that I put up a 'Luigia' game where the rule was I could not build any military units (Luigi wins by doing nothing), I ended up being easily number 1 in score just by abusing allies.

I dunno, In my current game, I keep getting handed chunks of Hungary (who is in a personal union with Austria).
Admittedly it is only one of two provinces a war.

I'm only claiming the provinces.