Actually they don't:
In real life, the British discussed this, but because of the German Navy didn't do it, but in the AAR the German Navy is destroyed so the attack is semi-historical
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Actually they don't:
In real life, the British discussed this, but because of the German Navy didn't do it, but in the AAR the German Navy is destroyed so the attack is semi-historical
It's positve diference of 10s of thousands of sq. miles and millions of citizens, I think so.
think there will be a Brest-Litovsk Treaty considering what a blunder it was for Germany.
and with the Ottomans in the Russia they haven't yet reached there farthest historical advance so there is still time left to transport troops and liberate Istanbul.
and with the Ottomans in the Russia they haven't yet reached there farthest historical advance so there is still time left to transport troops and liberate Istanbul.
This ignores the fact that the Eastern front was subsequently widened with the addition of Sweden and Turkey. From the point of view of A-H they would see a Russia that now had to defend a frontier stretching from the Baltic down to the the Black Sea and beyond. The Germans were sending down reinforcements to retake the occupied cities and the Russian steamroller was starting to lose steam, not to mention that on the Western Front victory seems all but certain.
If A-H had surrender where would that have placed it? If they surrendered and Germany lost they would be without any friends on the continent of Europe. If Germany won how would they have viewed the Austrian capitulation? Ending the war would have been a bad decision.
However, I do agree that there should have been some uprisings on the part of the minorities within A-H. After all, as you pointed out, Russia seemed to be doing splendidly and yet there have been uprisings in their empire.
I was also disturbed to note that the British attempted an amphibious invasion instead of placing the BEF on the frontline with France. They lost almost their entire army within a few months time and they thus had nothing left to protect the Suez and Egypt from the Turk. I hope that the British AI will be more careful in the future about launching invasions from the sea onto enemy occupied territory instead of placing it on friendly territory.
Another thing that was potentially distressing was that it appears that the diplomatic AI for the allies is not that active. Britain and France should be trying to get Italy to join the war along with some of the countries in the Balkans. Note, I said "appears", since I cannot be certain that the AI is not in fact trying to do this and Styass is just not including it in the AAR.
Overall though, it sounds like a very fun game and I have enjoyed reading the AAR.
While the utility of the British invasions has been debated, what I wonder is... how much coordination is there... really? In HoI, the Allies loved to drop unsupported divisions all over... what for? They almost always died and were never tied in with an offensive to make them count. I worry that the British landings were just done for the sake of it, and it will take great imagination to make them seem more than what they are.
It would have placed them in the same possition as the Russians in 1918. Except the Germans werent occupying Kiev, Moscow and St Petersburg at the same time.
Re: Brit landings. I thought that was stupid considering the fact that the line at the time wasnt stabalized in Northern France but at the gates of Paris. It would make alot more sense for the BEF to do what they did historicaly, participate in a counter-attack that pushes the Germans back. Or at the very least guard Paris and prevent its capture.
The biggest disapointment is that Italy didnt jump on A-H in 1915. The Russians were cleaning their clcoks, seemed like the perfect time to capture alot of land for minimal casualties.
A possibility (just some speculation, this is a game after all) to explain the revolts in Russian Poland could perhaps be that the peoples realized their nation's army was over-extended and being beaten back on three fronts, so they saw it as a perfect time to make a bid for independance. As for the revolts in the Russian heartland, maybe the domestic policies are all screwed up or many factors from even before the war have finally caught up.
peace,
peace,
I guess if you decimate your pop by drafting most of them in the army and you are not meeting the basic needs of your pop, you will have your hands full. Also I sumrise it was hardcoded also in the game to simulate the Russian revolution in WW1.
That supports my 2nd strategy of pushing as far back East as you can and hold the west. With the new lands, new pops, and with Austia-Hungary helping the ottomans in the southern-mideastern theater, you will have sufficient troop density to bleed on and win in the west.
That supports my 2nd strategy of pushing as far back East as you can and hold the west. With the new lands, new pops, and with Austia-Hungary helping the ottomans in the southern-mideastern theater, you will have sufficient troop density to bleed on and win in the west.
To be exact, line was stabilized, right at the gates of Paris
. Sytass pretty much lost his momentum in 1914, and aggravated that loss with his assault on Verdun. And, even though the British ultimately failed, I believe AI actually pushed Sytass back from Amiens (unless I am not mistaken). Besides, landing behind the enemy lines seems like a more fruitful strategy than the historical assaults on the main defensive positions...
Yeah, but if you don't attack Belgium then the only way into Franch is through the pre-magiot-but-still-hefty forts on the border.
I guess it was a gamble that didn't come off but I was a little surprised to see such an aggressive move. In general I've been very surprised with the aggressiveness of the AI, maybe the aggressiveness setting extends to combat as well as diplomacy?
Agreed, with Vienna in Russian hands it would be very tempting opportunity for Italy, and had they done so AH would surely have been finished. But you'd have to know the diplomatic standings of the various nations to make that kind of call. Maybe Italy was very close to the central powers during that time. Also it's not clear when Turkey joined in 1915 maybe that had an influence on their decision also. So they might be eying off French and British colony’s as we speak.
Other than that thanks for the update of the AAR Sytass, without giving anything away could you let us know what your people think of how the war is going. Thanks.
Originally posted by Darkrenown
Yeah, but if you don't attack Belgium then the only way into Franch is through the pre-magiot-but-still-hefty forts on the border.
An attack in the Vosges is a BAD idea. The only alternative is to hold the French in the west and attack in the east but there you have the Russian winter and the threat of stirring the Russian people into a patriotic war if you invade Russia proper. I think the Germans did what was best. OTOH if Russia surrenders, France will be doomed....if your army hasn't frozen to death in the trenches near Moscow that is.
Attacking into Russia would be quite a long war. The French could then beat down the Turks to open up access and then its a never ending war.
I think we are getting into too much of a debate here without really knowing the facts. I reserve my (potentially very, very harsh) judgement until Nov. 18th. A single betazoid AAR is by no means a measure of whether game is realistic or unrealistic (as HOI AARs shown us). Besides, as I understand this AAR is far from "fresh" and went through quite a few patches, which could've skewed the AI and the economic calculations (which might explain the resilience of Austria). Although, AI, in my view, is acting much more reasonably than in EU2 or HoI.
BTW, the attack into the east would probably be best but don't get greedy and go for Moscow. After your gains, consolidate and reinforce your defenses and then turn west and lend a hand in the south if needed. If the Italians are still on the edge, push them with several corps into northern Italy to open up the southern side of France. You don't have to waste your time going in all the way into Italy. After France is cooked, then focus on cleaning up and building your navy for UK invasion but the game time would be over by then. I just hope the editor would have the flexibility to enable you to play beyond 1920 or our inventive modders come up with a time patch.
I agree. It looks BETTER than HOI. They landed more than 1,000 troops in their amphibious landing, no matter what the wisdom of that landing, and I really can't fault that move because at least it was made in force.
The thing that I'm wondering is we're talking about this idea that Britain lost all its troops and therefore can't defend against Turkey. I'd like to get back to the idea (inspired by HOI) that Britain has no idea how to defends its many fronts. I say even with a full BEF not destroyed in Europe it still gets its clock cleaned by Turkey because it isn't sure how to move troops around or what goes where. That's MY big worry. Since Britain is an even bigger player than WWII and EU during the timeframe of this game (the biggest player, really) it has to have an AI to match. And making an AI for Britain is really really hard, especially given the front system they were using in the last game which I'm thinkig probably got transfered in some ways into this game. So my fear is that regardless of British strength it still wouldn't be sure how to defend against Turkey in Egypt.
Victoria looks so awesome. Lots and LOTS of detail, better design system, graphics, etc. Still think they could've tried adopting a new combat system... But it still looks awesome. CAN'T wait to read more. Continue the great AAR
But it still looks awesome. CAN'T wait to read more. Continue the great AAR 
I thin I should come forward with one issure regarding the A-H situation. A-H did make peace with Russia when more than 50% of their homeland was occupied. Russia took Galicia and parts of Hungary. However, that game died in a CTD (was a pre-gold patch), so I had to reload and was quicker in sending troops to A-H, rescuing them quite on the edge.
Once more: Remember that this save is played with various beta patches that did a lot of tweaking to the game.
Once more: Remember that this save is played with various beta patches that did a lot of tweaking to the game.