All of your provinces have to be muslim to unify islam?

[pheonicia]

I'm playing through a campaign as the ottomans and I noticed that the unify islam decision requires all of your provinces to be muslim? What's the point of the dhimmi estate and ottoman humanist bonuses then? Wouldn't it make more sense to have only true faith and heathen provinces in your empire with no heretic provinces?

I'm very, very salty at the moment.

 

[Dominion]

It's an achievement. Most of them are either a pun or related to sth historical.

It's not like anyone who got Garwhal is going to keep any of the 52 forts you need to build.

And the description states pretty clearly that all your provinces have to follow the true faith.

Not to mention that Ottomans aren't the only ones who are able to unify Islam, so I don't really understand what the point of criticizing their NI set in comparison to an achievement is.

 

[Metroidkirby]

You can have heretics in your lands (if you're sunni, you can have chia provinces...), just no heatens.

 

[Vulkandrache]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have only true faith and heathen provinces in your empire with no heretic provinces?

Since the whole thing is "Unify Islam" a condition like that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Robert de Bruce]

Best thing is not to conquer many heathen provinces before you did the decision. Especially not in Europe, since your biggest problem will be provinces converted by a center of reformation, which gives them religious zeal for many years. And before that is gone, another province may be converted, too. If you keep this in mind, take religious, get all the extra missionaries by Jerusalem, Mekka and Medinha (Rome is maybe not adviseable before) and feed the last needed provinces to subjects, it is perfectly doable in early 16th century. Ofcourse you have to eliminate the Dhimmi temporary.
The decision design is unchanged since EUIV came out in 2013. It could be overhauled, but atm it is the way it is.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It's an achievement. Most of them are either a pun or related to sth historical.

It's not like anyone who got Garwhal is going to keep any of the 52 forts you need to build.

And the description states pretty clearly that all your provinces have to follow the true faith.

Not to mention that Ottomans aren't the only ones who are able to unify Islam, so I don't really understand what the point of criticizing their NI set in comparison to an achievement is.

The decision pre-dates the achievement and is from one of the older DLCs (star and crescent). It actually pre-dates the dhimmi estate as a result too. They don't play nice together but you can just get unify Islam them start adding dhimmi to new states again.

 

[pheonicia]

Yeah, I'm not even talking about the achievement here, I just thought it would be cool to unify islam while blobbing over the planet. Converting my non muslim provinces at this point would be a major and unprofitable undertaking at this point. I'm really salty because I spent a lot of time desperately snaking my way towards the sites needed at the cost of expansion in other areas. And I feel the requirement is really dumb because I could reasonably wipe out every other muslim nation in the world and pull of a world conquest and still not be able to unify islam because one random province in Iceland was still christian. It makes no sense and really should be updated with the next patch.

 

[pheonicia]

for reference my owned territories and their religions.

 

[Big Bad France]

Do your trade companies need to be converted as well?

 

[Robert de Bruce]

I think so, every province of your own. You don't need to hold the required provinces yourself, subject is sufficient, but you need all your own provinces being muslim. Just did it yesterday, but did not have trade companies already.

 

[Dutchman251]

It's ahistorical anyways, so there is no real ground for disputing the fact that all of your country is muslim. At least it makes some sense to unify islam and having a strongly muslim country. Otherwise, unifying Islam wouldn't help you unify your country, which would make it a strange national decision at the very least.

 

[Dominion]

Yeah, I'm not even talking about the achievement here, I just thought it would be cool to unify islam while blobbing over the planet. Converting my non muslim provinces at this point would be a major and unprofitable undertaking at this point. I'm really salty because I spent a lot of time desperately snaking my way towards the sites needed at the cost of expansion in other areas. And I feel the requirement is really dumb because I could reasonably wipe out every other muslim nation in the world and pull of a world conquest and still not be able to unify islam because one random province in Iceland was still christian. It makes no sense and really should be updated with the next patch.

A lot of achievements force you to play suboptimally if even at all.

Think I just stopped actually playing in 1680 when I was done with my original achievement and converted for a few decades on speed5. Or gave provinces to a vassal, dunno.

I mean, if you already have a WC under your belt it's not like you're grabbing any other achievement anyways, so what's the harm?

I am not playing the game in a quarter of my runs because I'm only doing achievements. Just compare unifying Islam to stuff like the Uncommonwealth or Breaking free and vassalizing your overlord.

Both are pure speed5 runs from start to finish and force you to do stuff that doesn't make sense.
At least Unifying Islam requires you to play the game a little.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Unify Islam achievement works pretty well with either 3rd way or Jihad, especially the latter. You're expected to do mass conversions anyway and have the strongest NI set to get that done.

 

[erneiz_hyde]

As others have mentioned, if you want to enact the decision, it's best you go for the necessary provinces as early as possible and taking minimal other lands. After you enact the decision, you can freely utilize dhimmi and ottoman tolerance to ignore religion from then on.

 

[pheonicia]

Okay, I feel the need to clarify some things because I feel I'm being misunderstood.
1. I do not care about the achievement, I repeat, this is not about getting the achievment
2. What I do care about is that the decision, in its current form, is bad in terms of both gameplay and immersion
3. I do understand that it's very likely that the decision will be changed in the next patch anyways, but I'm going to complain about it because this is the internet

So first it's ridiculous to put the condition of "all your provinces to be muslim" as a requirement. It would be like having the confirm thassalocracy decision requiring you to have a dock built in every coastal province. It's tedious and and has no real gameplay connection. Then we get to the immersion problems. Because of the way the requirements are specifically laid out, a (for example) sunni country with exactly the 14 required provinces, all of which are shia or ibadi, sitting at a whopping 0% religious unity, could unify islam but a muslim nation that had managed to conquer the entirety of europe, asia, and africa couldn't unify islam if a single province, no matter how small or insignificant, wasn't muslim. The logic of the requirements is flawed, and should be changed.

 

[Zephyrum]

It's an achievement. Most of them are either a pun or related to sth historical.

It's not like anyone who got Garwhal is going to keep any of the 52 forts you need to build.

And the description states pretty clearly that all your provinces have to follow the true faith.

Not to mention that Ottomans aren't the only ones who are able to unify Islam, so I don't really understand what the point of criticizing their NI set in comparison to an achievement is.

As an owner of that achievement, I'm going to just go ahead and say anyone who got it probably quit immediately after...

 

[Vulkandrache]

As an owner of that achievement, I'm going to just go ahead and say anyone who got it probably quit immediately after...

As another owner of the achievement i going to say that i got it as an intermediate objective back in 1.17 on my way to the Orthodox One-Faith.


I dont know why one would quit afterwards.
The modifier it gives is amazingly strong and if you keep your Missionaries busy its not hard to get.

Especially if we assume Ottomans, with which getting it around 1520 isnt difficult

 

[Dominion]

It's easy not to get it because 100% RU doesn't come cheap. You have to stop playing to pick it up. That's the slightly annoying part ^^

 

[Vulkandrache]

You dont need 100 RU.
You can ofload Heathen land to a Vassal and your own provinces need to be Muslim not Sunni. You dont need to convert any Ibadi, or Shia.

But i guess not picking up Religious early does make the whole thing slighly more complicated.

 

[Metroidkirby]

2. What I do care about is that the decision, in its current form, is bad in terms of both gameplay and immersion

To be fair, before reading the wiki, I though the condition was to have all muslim provinces in your country, like some islam unification.