I would to play as a dynasty founder (but dynasties with cool coat of arms or at least the historical ones), is there any list where I could find these people?
All Dynasty Founders
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The only one I'm aware of is Piast the Wheelwright. Semi-legendary founder of the Piast dynasty and high chief of Greater Poland in TOG start.
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There's also Rurik Rurikid in Novgorod in the old gods start. I think the Habsburg in Aargau in 1066 might also be the first landed member of the dynasty
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The Last Karling (before Charlemagne came and ruined it) is available I believe in the 1066 start as a count in France. You can play as Ragnarr Lothbrok's father in the Charlemagne start and Ragnarr is your heir. You can play as John d'Courcy in Ulster round about 1200, not a massive dynasty but a unique one. In 1066 if you start as Eric the Heathen you can revive the Stenkil and the old faith.
Oh and if you play as Charlemagne you'll receive Rollo as a courtier who if given the duchy of Normandy (as he was in reality) will become the founding member of the de Normandie dynasty. You could then switch to him and follow a Norman destiny.
Oh and if you play as Charlemagne you'll receive Rollo as a courtier who if given the duchy of Normandy (as he was in reality) will become the founding member of the de Normandie dynasty. You could then switch to him and follow a Norman destiny.
Karlings became a menace in ToG. Also, Rollo is not alive during Charlemagne's reign.
I believe that was just an abstract way for Pdox to represent him in the game. If you are saying, in-game "Rollo" is not alive during in-game "Charlemagne's" rein, then you are sorely mistaken.
@Simmy93: the only remaining Carolingians in 1066 were descendants from a bastard with no real claim on any of their rightful thrones any more. In 1066 one can play as the founder of the younger house of Welf, named Welf. In TOG the house of Reginar (Hainaut & Brabant) can be played.
Simmy and you are confusing Rollo (Hrólfr), the Norse, who indeed, and quite obviously, was not yet alive during Charlemagne's reign (even his supposed father wasn't) with Roland (Hruodland), the Frank and paladin of Charlemagne, who was alive but wasn't duke of Normandy nor the ancestor of those dukes.
You can play as an Ottoman from at least 1271 (I made a custom bookmark), not sure how far back this clan goes.
There's lots if you look around a bit, especially if you go outside of official bookmarks. In the Old Gods start, the Byzantine emperor is the only member of his family aside from his father. There's also Rurik in Russia. In the Charlemagne bookmark, the ruler of Uppland I believe it is (one of the southern Norwegian counties anyway) if the first member of the Yngling dynasty. The later in the game you start the more historical characters you can find, although you have less time to play as them.
The count of Paris in 769 is the founder of the Chatenois dynasty.
The count of Angouleme in 769 is Wulgrin, founder of Taillefer.
I could name more but just get all the shield packs and click around, especially in the 769 and 867 start dates, or 1066, you'll find plenty of historical houses. Although the earlier starts allow you to play as the founders.
The count of Angouleme in 769 is Wulgrin, founder of Taillefer.
I could name more but just get all the shield packs and click around, especially in the 769 and 867 start dates, or 1066, you'll find plenty of historical houses. Although the earlier starts allow you to play as the founders.
You can play as El Cid sometime in the 1090s in Valencia, I believe he is the founder of the de Vivar dynasty.
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Geoffroy Plantagenet would be a good one to go for once his father Foulques has taken the throne of Jerusalem. Even better, if you're married to Matilda de Normandie you can attempt to take the English throne.
You can play as Amedée D'Ivrea in 867. He's count of Macon and Chalons, I believe. His eldest son, Anscaire, is historically the founder of the D'Ivrea dynasty, who are featured in the score list. This dynasty has held the throne of Italy as well as Castille and León.
You can also play as the founder of the Basarab dynasty in 1301, in Wallachia, although he is a vassal of the Golden Horde. You can also play as his son from 1310, and he is independent. Vlad the Impaler, or Dracula is their descendant.
Also in 867, some of Ragnar's sons, like Ivar the Boneless and Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye) are the founders of their dynasties (Ivaring and Knytling, respectively). Ivar's descendants are still around in 1066 in western Scotland, and have historically held several lands in Scotland and Ireland, as well as England, I believe. The Knytling dynasty reached its peak with Cnut the Great, who as King of Denmark, Norway and England was the ruler of a realm now referred to as the North Sea Empire.
Svend Estrid, king of Denmark in 1066, is the founder of his respective dynasty.
Several members of the Capet dynasty (actually Robertians, the predecessors of the Capets) can be played in the earlier starts.
Then there is a bunch of unlanded dynasty founders sprinkled across the board, like the aforementioned Rollo (Hrolfr) of Normandy who is chilling in some court in Norway in 867. I've also seen Ximeno of the Jimena dynasty (the family most of the christian Spanish rulers in the 1066 start belong to) in Navarra's court in the same start.
You could always look up on wikipedia when certain dynasties you are interested in were founded and see if they fall into the CK2 timeframe, and the general area they controlled.
You can also play as the founder of the Basarab dynasty in 1301, in Wallachia, although he is a vassal of the Golden Horde. You can also play as his son from 1310, and he is independent. Vlad the Impaler, or Dracula is their descendant.
Also in 867, some of Ragnar's sons, like Ivar the Boneless and Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye) are the founders of their dynasties (Ivaring and Knytling, respectively). Ivar's descendants are still around in 1066 in western Scotland, and have historically held several lands in Scotland and Ireland, as well as England, I believe. The Knytling dynasty reached its peak with Cnut the Great, who as King of Denmark, Norway and England was the ruler of a realm now referred to as the North Sea Empire.
Svend Estrid, king of Denmark in 1066, is the founder of his respective dynasty.
Several members of the Capet dynasty (actually Robertians, the predecessors of the Capets) can be played in the earlier starts.
Then there is a bunch of unlanded dynasty founders sprinkled across the board, like the aforementioned Rollo (Hrolfr) of Normandy who is chilling in some court in Norway in 867. I've also seen Ximeno of the Jimena dynasty (the family most of the christian Spanish rulers in the 1066 start belong to) in Navarra's court in the same start.
You could always look up on wikipedia when certain dynasties you are interested in were founded and see if they fall into the CK2 timeframe, and the general area they controlled.
"Also in 867, some of Ragnar's sons, like Ivar the Boneless and Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye) are the founders of their dynasties (Ivaring and Knytling, respectively). Ivar's descendants are still around in 1066 in western Scotland, and have historically held several lands in Scotland and Ireland, as well as England, I believe.
"The Knytling dynasty reached its peak with Cnut the Great, who as King of Denmark, Norway and England was the ruler of a realm now referred to as the North Sea Empire."
Partly true, but mostly wrong: Ragnar is a legendary king (much more so than Piast), and the stories are wildly different between sources. Paradox clearly uses a Norwagean soruce (but asccording to this source and most others Denmark should already be one country in 867, already in 804 Godfred seem to rule a formed kingdom). One thing is certain: either Ragnar was never a real king (as ruling any specific realm) or he was part of the existing dynasty. So neither he nor his sons are founders of a dynasty.
Ragnar is most likely a ship-king (adventurer in CK terms, in Scandinavia you could be King if you had enough ships). Later sources incorporates him into various royal lines at different times, but never as him nor his sons as founders of dynasties.
The term "knytling" for a dynasti relates to a specific line of Kings, from Knute the 1 (which is slightly schrouded in mystery) over Gorm and Harald Blutooth.
"Svend Estrid, king of Denmark in 1066, is the founder of his respective dynasty."
Both Svend Estrid and his successors are counted among the Knytlings (his son Canute the holy being one of the chief "knytlinga"), in the source where this term is used (the Knytlinga Saga). He is son of Jarl Ulf and Estrid, daugther of Canute the great. The Danes didnt mind skipping through female lines, and besides all his sons that lived to adulthood where bastards anyway (at least 15 or 16 ived to adulthood). There have never been and "Estrid" dynasty.
There are actually some sources for Danish kings in roughly the correct timeframe: like Halvdan ruling in 873 according to a french chronicle, and Horik the Second around 854 to at least 864 (last time he was mentioned).
Also Sigfred ruling roughly from 770 followed by Godfred before 804, would be a better Carolingian start.
Denmark was likely founded as a Kingdom around 700 or so. Ogandus being the first to rule a united Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongendus
We have poor sources 880/890 or so and until 936 when Gorm the Old is mentioned. Possibly Denmark around 870-940 is plagued by rival families and split up Kingdom. Harald Bluetooth (son of Gorm the Old) brings it together, like as a new dynasty, tracing back to a semi legendary Hartheknut, giving name to the Knytlinga dynasty (in principle still ruling Denmark, though a branched of family).
"The Knytling dynasty reached its peak with Cnut the Great, who as King of Denmark, Norway and England was the ruler of a realm now referred to as the North Sea Empire."
Partly true, but mostly wrong: Ragnar is a legendary king (much more so than Piast), and the stories are wildly different between sources. Paradox clearly uses a Norwagean soruce (but asccording to this source and most others Denmark should already be one country in 867, already in 804 Godfred seem to rule a formed kingdom). One thing is certain: either Ragnar was never a real king (as ruling any specific realm) or he was part of the existing dynasty. So neither he nor his sons are founders of a dynasty.
Ragnar is most likely a ship-king (adventurer in CK terms, in Scandinavia you could be King if you had enough ships). Later sources incorporates him into various royal lines at different times, but never as him nor his sons as founders of dynasties.
The term "knytling" for a dynasti relates to a specific line of Kings, from Knute the 1 (which is slightly schrouded in mystery) over Gorm and Harald Blutooth.
"Svend Estrid, king of Denmark in 1066, is the founder of his respective dynasty."
Both Svend Estrid and his successors are counted among the Knytlings (his son Canute the holy being one of the chief "knytlinga"), in the source where this term is used (the Knytlinga Saga). He is son of Jarl Ulf and Estrid, daugther of Canute the great. The Danes didnt mind skipping through female lines, and besides all his sons that lived to adulthood where bastards anyway (at least 15 or 16 ived to adulthood). There have never been and "Estrid" dynasty.
There are actually some sources for Danish kings in roughly the correct timeframe: like Halvdan ruling in 873 according to a french chronicle, and Horik the Second around 854 to at least 864 (last time he was mentioned).
Also Sigfred ruling roughly from 770 followed by Godfred before 804, would be a better Carolingian start.
Denmark was likely founded as a Kingdom around 700 or so. Ogandus being the first to rule a united Denmark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongendus
We have poor sources 880/890 or so and until 936 when Gorm the Old is mentioned. Possibly Denmark around 870-940 is plagued by rival families and split up Kingdom. Harald Bluetooth (son of Gorm the Old) brings it together, like as a new dynasty, tracing back to a semi legendary Hartheknut, giving name to the Knytlinga dynasty (in principle still ruling Denmark, though a branched of family).
In CK2+, there is a 1000 AD bookmark that lets you play as the founder of the Seljuks. Not sure if such a bookmark can be created in vanilla.