All 15 perk trees overview, images reposted

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I personally think lifestyles are already done far better than in CK2. The stat bloat in CK2 meant that even a slow or imbecile character could get decent stats if you got the right artefacts and picked a good society and lifestyle for him/her. And concerning WoL, aside from possibly improving in a matching education, education and traits had no effect on your character's development at all. CK2 only really started connecting traits to character development/growth in the M&M societies: a craven, slothful learning education guy would be able to progress through the war/hunting lifestyle events as easily as someone way more fit for said lifestyle. You simply chose what was most efficient/fit your roleplaying idea best.

For CK3, traits and education are both confirmed to affect the rate at which you accrue XP in your chosen lifestyle, which means they directly affect how quickly your character improves in his chosen field. It would only be logical for traits such as ambitious and content, and genetic traits such as quick and slow, to also have their effect on XP generation. As such, CK3 will already have more depth in how well your character manages to progress in his chosen field: you still have the freedom of decision, but there's an immediate, visible difference in growth if you pick something that doesn't fit your character. For example, if done right, a genius brilliant strategist may manage to finish all 3 martial lifestyles over 70 years, while a slow misguided warrior would struggle to finish even one in that timespan. I already wrote a more detailed post on possibilities concerning the xp in the "I don't feel this is crusader kings" thread a few days ago.

It'll always be a precarious balance between "forcing players to play their character to the letter" and "allowing them to change the character any way they want", but I feel the current mechanic of xp gradients and stress look promising. Of course, we still need to see any specifics on stress, so it's hard to discuss it properly; but I think it has a lot of possibility.
 

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I removed the pictures because it was wrong of me to post them. Im sorry. I dont want to create false expectation or so and the game is under development with alot of potential changes.

Why was it wrong to post them? It only gave the info that the devs have already given, in a much nicer and easier-to-see form. I wish I downloaded the image before you removed it :(
 

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I removed the pictures because it was wrong of me to post them. Im sorry. I dont want to create false expectation or so and the game is under development with alot of potential changes.

Come on dude. No idea why you think expectations need to be protected. Whatever weird expectations people get I'm sure that'll all go over past release. All your image did was make it easier to get an overview, not like you put a blanket on the perk system or something by removing it.
 
Premission to use images

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Well to start with they are based on content I don't actually own
The content was willingly made public by the developers themselves. No need to worry about that. Otherwise, your post would've been moderated.
Secondly there is no reason to assume that will be how the perk trees will actually look like when CK3 is released because the game is under development.
Yes, we know. Since the pictures were made as a collage, it had the message "UNDER DEVELOPMENT" all over, from the individual pictures.
 

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But how do you actually know that is the case?
It was published in the public section of an internet forum.
I was going to quote the wording the devs used in their posts, but that's nonsense. You're free to do with your posts as you think is best, of course, but it's a shame that all the neat organized info was deleted.
 

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It was published in the public section of an internet forum.
Which don't automatically mean the Pictures can be used without permission. Without permission the Pictures can't be posted.

I was going to quote the wording the devs used in their posts,
They never said anything about how the Pictures can be used, so the default for me is to assume they can't be used at all.
 

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Why, Denkt? Just... why...?

Did anyone from PDS contact you or ask you to take it down? If not, then you didn't do anything wrong.

What is the real reason you took it down? This "no permission was asked" stuff is nonsense.
 

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I want to be absolute sure that I’m allowed to actually post the images. I asked about it in the rule subforum but have not gotten an answer.

If you weren't allowed to post them, the mods would remove them. That's all there is to it. To try and get permission for every action or usage of material released for public consumption is to waste the time of everyone involved.