Albigensian Crusade (1209-1255)

[Cat Lord]

I just wonder if this "crusade" would be handle the same way at the crusades in the Levant.

At a point, the king of France himself did not backed it up, as it was clearly breaking all the rules of feodality (The Pope granting fiefs in the area directly to Simon de Montfort, ouside of any feodal ownership and vassalage link with the Count of Toulouse), and turn up being the Frank Barons of the North pillaging the Languedoc (Remember, Toulouse was the third biggest and wealthiest city of Europe at this time !).

So, how will this particular event be handled ?

Cat

PS: Sorry if it is not the first time this particular subject pop-up.

 

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All I have to say on this issue is:

"Kill them all and let God sort them out..."

 

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Didnt you steal that from the Simpsons??

Never the less I have no idea on how the event would be simulated but I would hope these things are included in the game.

 

[Demetrios]

Originally posted by Ivan the Mad
Didnt you steal that from the Simpsons??

No, the Simpsons stole that from one of the leaders of the Albigensian Crusade!

 

[khurjan]

i think the best way that the computer ai can handle this is by simulating a peasent revolt becuasr this crusade was mostly aimed at peasents and only few noblemen were on their side...becuase one way of doing it might be eu 2 style dutch revolt or as total war does with crusades.

 

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Originally posted by khurjan
...........becuase one way of doing it might be eu 2 style dutch revolt or as total war does with crusades.

We don't want it Dutch style - then you could never wipe them out because they would instantly have trading posts in PTI

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by khurjan
i think the best way that the computer ai can handle this is by simulating a peasent revolt becuasr this crusade was mostly aimed at peasents and only few noblemen were on their side...

Well... not quite. The main focus were city dwellers/citizens. And there were quite a lot of nobles supporting them...

 

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Originally posted by Demetrios


No, the Simpsons stole that from one of the leaders of the Albigensian Crusade!

It´s a known fact that Simpsons is inspired by the time of the crusades..

 

[khurjan]

Originally posted by Havard

Well... not quite. The main focus were city dwellers/citizens. And there were quite a lot of nobles supporting them...

ah but you got to remember cities and towns at that time were no where near as populous as near eastern or roman time cities were....actual target of the crusades was the count of the area with his rich lands and people who were really persecueted were peasents

 

[Norgesvenn]

The Albigensians had strong support amongst the local nobles. Thus it's importance. Had it been a mere peasant revolt, it hadn't held the place it holds in history.

Thus, it should be an important event, but its conclusion shouldn't be hardcoded, I feel. Gnosticism could have won over Deism.

 

[khurjan]

lol you also need to remember this that this was not only religious crusade but it was proxy fight also between competing houses for throne of france too it was like wheel within the wheel ....also most knights who took part in armies were landless or younger sons of large families.

 

[Damocles]

For the throne of France...? How so?

 

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Some comments posted in another (and old) thread:

Cathares thread

 

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How was it a fight for the throne of France?