Airplanes for... what???

[SR-71]

Hello!

I don't know if this has been treated in another previous thread, but I think that airplanes might be present on battles. Planes were important in WWI at least like tanks, so if tanks are somewhat present, planes might be too!

Yes, yes, yes, they were a new and nacient weapon and so, and so... but there's no doubt they were used extensively and I think some must be done to add them to armies. Like tanks or artillery, or so, I don't mind how but MUST be, and not too etherean like now, more physically.

I think this will add more fun to the game, and would be more historically correct, two things lots of people are asking for.

Greetings

 

[unmerged(10894)]

My thoughts exactly.

As Colombia I thought it would be cool to get airplanes, so I built a factory, but the price never lifted from .5$ each. So at end game, 5000 airplanes were rusting in warehouses waiting to be used, seeing I was hoarding them all.

I think they should be a brigade or at lest be wanted by the PoP's, as they obvisiosuly don't want THIS luxury.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

I think they should be a brigade or at lest be wanted by the PoP's, as they obvisiosuly don't want THIS luxury.

Aeroplanes are among the luxury needs for aristocrats, capitalists, officers, clergy and clerks. However, POPs don't start buying luxury goods if their needs aren't met for "life" and "everyday" goods. Besides, POPs don't buy from your stockpiles, they buy from the WM and from what you sell to the WM.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(10894)]

Aeroplanes are among the luxury needs for aristocrats, capitalists, officers, clergy and clerks. However, POPs don't start buying luxury goods if their needs aren't met for "life" and "everyday" goods. Besides, POPs don't buy from your stockpiles, they buy from the WM and from what you sell to the WM.

Rafiki

Yeah I know htat, but as long as they don't get enough money to buy stuff, they aren't going to want 400 - 500 pound airplanes, so there's no point in even getting them.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Then it is a problem with POP income, not with the usefulness or lack thereof for aeroplanes

It's a valid point, but a whole other cookie jar.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(3921)]

We discussed this previously in a past thread. You shouldn't think of "airplanes" as being strictly airplanes. Instead they represent a vast spectrum of consumer goods available in the early 20th century. This could include typewriters, sporting goods equipment, luxury housing, etc.

 

[qvcatullus]

We discussed this previously in a past thread. You shouldn't think of "airplanes" as being strictly airplanes. Instead they represent a vast spectrum of consumer goods available in the early 20th century. This could include typewriters, sporting goods equipment, luxury housing, etc.

Built in an airplane factory?

 

[unmerged(14180)]

I agree, aircraft should have a greater use than they have now.

The current use is laughable, at best.

 

[unmerged(18951)]

I would like to see an attached airplane brigade. This would only be availiable late in the game and provide a modest boost to organisation and morale.

 

[Darkrenown]

Built in an airplane factory?

Factories just represent the general type of industry in the area, eg, planes = the fancy high tech gadgets rich people want and cement factories make building materials etc.

 

[JohnMK]

Well then, rename it "modern goods" factory.

 

[unmerged(21992)]

We discussed this previously in a past thread. You shouldn't think of "airplanes" as being strictly airplanes. Instead they represent a vast spectrum of consumer goods available in the early 20th century. This could include typewriters, sporting goods equipment, luxury housing, etc.

If the designers wanted to signify that, then they should have called the category "Modern Luxury Goods" instead of "Airplanes".

 

[Sam Gamgee]

If the designers wanted to signify that, then they should have called the category "Modern Luxury Goods" instead of "Airplanes".

My two bits!!: If we're thinking of changing the airplanes factories, we should consider changing them to bicycle factories. (I'm not joking!!!!! ) This is because:

1) Bicycles were considered a novlety and luxury item much like cars in this time period, and were muh desired and sought after.

2) the light weight but strong materials and engineering principles used in the construction and design of bicycles carried over and formed the basis of aircraft design.

It's no coincidence that the Wright brothers built bicycles for a living and that France, one of the world leaders in aircraft design and construction in the earlt 20th C, also led the world the production of bicycles. Anyways, I think bicycles are perhaps a better representation than aircraft if they are intended to represent all sorts of luxury consumer goods.

Also, the lack of use for aircaft is pretty irritating, the only factory I ever built for aircraft was money loser as there was no demand and the prices for the component parts meant producing those was far more profitable....

 

[unmerged(7789)]

As Colombia I thought it would be cool to get airplanes, so I built a factory, but the price never lifted from .5$ each. So at end game, 5000 airplanes were rusting in warehouses waiting to be used, seeing I was hoarding them all.

Did you ever sell any of the airplanes on the world market? I know that in my games when a new good is introduced through an invention it shows up in the WM screen as $.5, but promptly changes to a much higher figure as soon as a nation begins producing them and trades them on the WM. In my GC as Japan tanks were $.5 each...until I built a factory and became the world's sole tank producer (and later became the only airplane producer). The minute I sold my first one the price rose to over $600 per unit. It could've just been that no one else was making them so they never entered the market...thus no supply/demand.

 

[Darkrenown]

If the designers wanted to signify that, then they should have called the category "Modern Luxury Goods" instead of "Airplanes".

If people can't see factories are an abstraction then they'll need more help than having them renamed. A level 1 factory can hold 500,000 people, surely everyone can see that building a factory in Vic is setting up the primary industry type in an area rather than building one little facotry.

Anyway, if it was called "Modern Luxury Goods" people would be saying "We should be able to build airplanes!"

They are absracted into Modern Luxury Goods factories.

"Well then, they should be called Airplane factories!"

 

[unmerged(24160)]

I also think that airplanes should have some effect... maybe an invention which would give bonuses in battle if there is an airplane factory present? Something like "Gas attack" (though I have to admit that I haven't seen it making any difference either... anybody knows what is the effect of Gas attacks?).

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Discovering airplanes can trigger an invention giving DDs, BBs and CAs better detection, so there is something there.

Rafiki

 

[unmerged(21992)]

If people can't see factories are an abstraction then they'll need more help than having them renamed. A level 1 factory can hold 500,000 people, surely everyone can see that building a factory in Vic is setting up the primary industry type in an area rather than building one little facotry.

Not all goods are appropriately regarded as abstractions. What could the lumber mill possibly be abstracting? Certainly not furniture production!

Actually, I get the sense that almost none of the goods are really abstracted. A lot of people have the habit of assuming that everything in the game necessarily correlates to historic fact, but IMHO that's a big mistake. Paper doesn't represent the abstraction of what it takes educationally and materially to create craftsmen and clerks; if it were, then you wouldn't be able to buy it on the market. No matter how one tries, it's gonna require major intellectual gymnastics to try and claim that the steel or cement plants, or the automobile manufactury, are abstractions. (If they wanted to simulate construction materials, why are there two different factory types?) Sometimes it's better to say "This is a game, not a simulator, so some stuff is going to be gamey".

Since the discovery of airplanes actually has specific benefits for detection for several ship classes, it's hard to believe that they don't represent actual, real-world airplanes.

 

[Theodotus1]

What's missing from the game is any specific use for airplanes other than the one naval invention. Historically, planes came to be used during WWI for air recon of land positions, and in that capacity were put to great use. There should be an army invention to represent such a development.

 

[unmerged(18345)]

A brigade, perhaps?

There could be an attachment to Air and naval units, slightly increasing their shock ( +3 ) and fire ( +1 ) ratings. They were used and feared by the enemy, althrough they were not realy deathly weapons like in World war II.