Aircraft tech tree?

[mattyh1995]

My complaint is no ground attack jet aircraft. Why no love for German jet CAS?

Judging from HoI III, Paradox won't do too well with unit models (But the new tech system will make it much easier for them so you never know). However there will be plenty of mods that will fix this.

 

[apfelstrudel]

My complaint is no ground attack jet aircraft. Why no love for German jet CAS?

THIS! I demand Paradox to make ground attack aircraft available in this game, I don't care if you guys sold it separately as a DLC, I still buy it. I want to build this Henschel Hs 129 and send it to battle field!

 

[mattyh1995]

THIS! I demand Paradox to make ground attack aircraft available in this game, I don't care if you guys sold it separately as a DLC, I still buy it. I want to build this Henschel Hs 129 and send it to battle field!

Ahem... Swastika.

 

[tommylotto]

So what is going to differentiate TAC from NAV? Same airframe, it looks like, but maybe a modification added through experience?

 

[RisingSun]

This is the screen of the yesterday stream. Here we have a German aircraft tree.

One question: where are tech years? I mean is the air tree date-dependent? (So you can't research planes ahead of time)

Probably have to click on it or hover your mouse over it.

 

[Intrepid941]

What types of aircraft does the tree present? For example fighters, bombers, etc.

Hmm, IIRC: Fighter, Heavy Fighter, Naval Bomber, Close Air Support, Tactical Bomber, Strategic Bomber, Rocket Fighter, Jet Fighter/Bomber, Jet Stretegic Bomber.

This is from DD 7.

 

[Simpal]

How would the techs for minor nations go? Would Axis Minors Just Use German Planes? Or Would each nation have their own techs? (I doubt it).

 

[Rubidium]

How would the techs for minor nations go? Would Axis Minors Just Use German Planes? Or Would each nation have their own techs? (I doubt it).

Presumably like with e.g. tanks: each of the majors would have their own names for the tech (so e.g. a Spitfire for the UK), while the minors will have something like "Fighter 1940" or "Naval Bomber Mk. 2."

But each of the actual tech levels will have the same base stats; it depends on e.g. doctrines or other techs researched to make e.g. the P-51 Mustang better than a generic aircraft of the same type/year from Ecuador or Tuva.

 

[plasticpanzers]

Naval bombers are almost always modifications of medium or light bombers. Not PBYs with a half-dozen torpedoes
slung under each wing. In fact almost half or more are actually aircraft carrier type aircraft (SBDs, Vals, Swordfish)
as they are designed from scratch for antishipping. Naval bombers should use exclusively CAG tech for their weapons
and have shorter range unless you choose to have very light, unarmored aircraft like Japan blended with a superb
torpedo (Betty bomber).

 

[ObssesedNuker]

THIS! I demand Paradox to make ground attack aircraft available in this game,

Close air support (CAS) aircraft = Ground attack aircraft. They are two different names for the same thing, so your own request is redundant as the devs have already said (and you can see on the screenshot) that CAS aircraft are in the game which then also means ground attack aircraft are in the game.

I do agree that at least one jet version should be included though.

 

[apfelstrudel]

Close air support (CAS) aircraft = Ground attack aircraft. They are two different names for the same thing, so your own request is redundant as the devs have already said (and you can see on the screenshot) that CAS aircraft are in the game which then also means ground attack aircraft are in the game.

I do agree that at least one jet version should be included though.

you mean the Stukas? or Junkers Ju 288? i just want Henschel Hs 129 to be in the game

 

[safe-keeper]

CAS: highly specialized plane: very good against army units and ships, but also has a very short range and can't be sent on strategic bombing sorties. Example: Stuka and He-129.
Tactical bomber: longer range, wider range of mission types, including strategic bombing.

 

[RisingSun]

There no points of having tactical and naval bombers in the HoI Series. Just have the option by adding payload of bombs or loads, it is that simple. By researching those plane models, some models have different payloads and more options to choose from.

I hope this isnt late to correct this, they really need to do something about this.

 

[plasticpanzers]

There were, in the Pacific, many specific types of naval aircraft used in naval attack from land. I do agree there is a bit of a
blur between naval bombers and medium bombers and something needs to be done to adjust between them. Again, naval
aircraft should use CAG (bombs/torpedos) and land bombs.

 

[Alex_brunius]

My complaint is no ground attack jet aircraft. Why no love for German jet CAS?

The only German jet CAS i know of was the Me262 that is in the tree already ( fighter/bomber filling both roles ).

Most nations in the jet-age stopped making dedicated planes for ground attack ( or actually even a bit before since air-ground missiles and rockets could be equally accurate from fighters ).

Look at latewar fighter/bombers and you will see many normal fighters just carrying a slightly higher rocket load-out.


The first successful jet age CAS I know of was the AC-10 Thunderbolt II developed in the 1970s.

 

[Simpal]

Presumably like with e.g. tanks: each of the majors would have their own names for the tech (so e.g. a Spitfire for the UK), while the minors will have something like "Fighter 1940" or "Naval Bomber Mk. 2."

But each of the actual tech levels will have the same base stats; it depends on e.g. doctrines or other techs researched to make e.g. the P-51 Mustang better than a generic aircraft of the same type/year from Ecuador or Tuva.

So the stats for planes will be basically the same. I.E: Spitfire (1942) = Any Other Fighter (1942)

 

[plasticpanzers]

Douglas A1 Skyraider is probably the exception to the rule. Very effective ground support prop plane post war (1946).
Other than that your right in that most fighter-bombers are simply fighters doing ground attack with rockets/cannon/mgs.

Others being larger medium bombers like the Canberra.

 

[Alex_brunius]

So the stats for planes will be basically the same. I.E: Spitfire (1942) = Any Other Fighter (1942)

Assuming that you have the same experience/upgrades/variants, same air doctrines, same potential supporting techs (like radar), same Aces ( leaders ) + same other unknown effects they have not yet announced.

 

[apfelstrudel]

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[Sacer]

The only German jet CAS i know of was the Me262 that is in the tree already ( fighter/bomber filling both roles ).

Most nations in the jet-age stopped making dedicated planes for ground attack ( or actually even a bit before since air-ground missiles and rockets could be equally accurate from fighters ).

Look at latewar fighter/bombers and you will see many normal fighters just carrying a slightly higher rocket load-out.


The first successful jet age CAS I know of was the AC-10 Thunderbolt II developed in the 1970s.

The Germans had many models. Here are the two pictred above

http://www.luft46.com/junkers/jugap.html

http://www.luft46.com/mess/mep10199.html

I think the fact that the ground attack aicraft appeared again in the 70s is proof of that it is indeed a usefull concept