Aircraft losses and Manpower

[Mentatt76]

When an Aircraft is destroyed how much MP is considered lost?

For instance, a standard 100 plane squadron requires 4000 men crew, so what happens when 50 aircraft are lost in the airwar, so 2000 MP is removed or what? I assume the game does not simulate the only pilot is dead???

 

[SophieX]

When an Aircraft is destroyed how much MP is considered lost?

For instance, a standard 100 plane squadron requires 4000 men crew, so what happens when 50 aircraft are lost in the airwar, so 2000 MP is removed or what? I assume the game does not simulate the only pilot is dead???

From these 4000 men for 100 plane-wing ( twin-engines ) you need 200 pilots ( incl. "backseaters or co-pilots) without reserve pilot-teams. The rest of 3800 are ground-staff ( engineers, tower, logistic , radio-ops etc )

The pilots dead is simulated by the wing loosing experience; I don't know whether this new pilot is subtracted from the manpower pool and if that dead pilot "counts" for the loss-of-manpower-score.

I don't think that the groundstaff is affected; but who knows....that game is full of surprises

 

[Fulmen]

Air losses cost manpower in HoIs 1, 2, 3, AoD and DH. However they do not cost manpower in HoI4.

You might also be interested to know that the same applies to naval losses as well as losses from attrition.

EDIT: See below for specifics regarding naval losses.

 

[SophieX]

Air losses cost manpower in HoIs 1, 2, 3, AoD and DH. However they do not cost manpower in HoI4.

Thanks; good info!

You might also be interested to know that the same applies to naval losses ......

Yes...if there are no sharks

 

[porta80]

But you need to have manpower in the pool to get the new planes to fill up your losses or new ships deployed.

 

[Mentatt76]

Air losses cost manpower in HoIs 1, 2, 3, AoD and DH. However they do not cost manpower in HoI4.

You might also be interested to know that the same applies to naval losses as well as losses from attrition.

This is a bit confusing.
You pay MP to deploy those units initially and when they are destroyed you have to pay MP again to deploy new wings? so what happens to the initial MP spent while creating squadrons in the first place? Isnt it effectively costing MP ?? so how come it does not cost MP in HOI4?

 

[myzael]

You might also be interested to know that the same applies to naval losses as well as losses from attrition.

There are naval losses since MtG, don't spread misinformation.

This is a bit confusing.
You pay MP to deploy those units initially and when they are destroyed you have to pay MP again to deploy new wings? so what happens to the initial MP spent while creating squadrons in the first place? Isnt it effectively costing MP ?? so how come it does not cost MP in HOI4?

When planes are destroyed, manpower returns to the pool. Which is a fair abstraction, because it doesn't make sense to remove 20 fighter ground crew members when a pilot dies.

That's not to say there shouldn't be a way to represent trained pilot manpower pool, something UK and Japan struggled at various points of the war for instance.

 

[Fulmen]

There are naval losses since MtG, don't spread misinformation.

Have you confirmed this to be the case or do you have a source that does?

 

[myzael]

A dev diary mentioning this, though not explicit. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hoi4-dev-diary-naval-terrain.1123303/

I don't have time to search for more right now.

 

[Fulmen]

A dev diary mentioning this, though not explicit. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hoi4-dev-diary-naval-terrain.1123303/

I don't have time to search for more right now.

Found these in the defines:

    MANPOWER_LOSS_RATIO_ON_SUNK = 0.5,                                -- sunk ships will lose this ratio of their current manpower
    MANPOWER_LOSS_RATIO_ON_STR_LOSS = 0.5,                            -- losing strength will make you also lose manpower at this ratio of total manpower
    MIN_MANPOWER_RATIO_TO_DROP = 0.1,                                -- ships will not lose man power to below this ratio

It seems after MtG some MP is lost when ships take damage (including from accidents) or are sunk. However the rest of my post stands true, AFAIK including for naval losses in HoI4 2016-2019 (pre-MtG).

don't spread misinformation.

I hope you're not implying I'd be spreading misinformation by intent. My intent is only to spread factual information. Sometimes I too can be wrong of course.

 

[myzael]

I hope you're not implying I'd be spreading misinformation by intent. My intent is only to spread factual information. Sometimes I too can be wrong of course.

No, I am not, don't worry. I was just surprised, because I assumed it's commonly known, and I know you have extensive knowledge about the game.