Air Superiority and Strategic Bombing

[Invictus5966]

The fact that in all the WWWs everyone massed their industry instead of spreading them out makes me wonder how effective bombing is.

 

[zinger98]

Something else I would like to see would be to add a stat for max alititude. If you can build bombers that fly above the max altitude of defending fighters then you can lay waste in relative safety.

Not true... early B-29 raids over Japan were at extreme altitude and did little damage. The jet stream put the bombs all over the place. A famous raid at the Nakajima engine factory by a couple hundred bombers only managed to put 42 bombs near the target from the extremely high altitude.

 

[zinger98]

Something else I would like to see would be to add a stat for max alititude. If you can build bombers that fly above the max altitude of defending fighters then you can lay waste in relative safety.

Not true... early B-29 raids over Japan were at extreme altitude and did little damage. The jet stream put the bombs all over the place. A famous raid at the Nakajima engine factory by a couple hundred bombers only managed to put 42 bombs near the target from the extremely high altitude.

 

[kalauer]

If we have air superiorty or even just some fighters over occupied territory does that increase the visibility of units on map as was in HOI3? I mean sure Strat Bombers aren't going to see much at altitude but Fighters, Heavy Fighters, and CAS since they are attacking land units are could be used as low level recon planes could theoretically provide some sort of info about units in provinces etc. more reliably than decryption techs could and radar couldn't spot land units. Perhaps when or if the Air system is given some more attention after release we can start to use some of our planes that can or were used as recon to do so especially if you control the skies.

It is more the other way around: Over owned territory, air detection is higher, thus increasing interception chance. But regarding ground reconnaissance, I would argue that there are more effective ways than abusing fighters that also are not considered. For example civilians in territories occupied by the enemy or spys.

As far as I know, ground reconnaissance as a stat is only relevant on a tactical level, e.g. in combat (21.DD) and not on a strategic level. Notable exception is radar (39.DD).

 

[jalapen0]

Not true... early B-29 raids over Japan were at extreme altitude and did little damage. The jet stream put the bombs all over the place. A famous raid at the Nakajima engine factory by a couple hundred bombers only managed to put 42 bombs near the target from the extremely high altitude.

Yea, I'm thinking more late war, raids over germany.

 

[Mannstien]

It is more the other way around: Over owned territory, air detection is higher, thus increasing interception chance. But regarding ground reconnaissance, I would argue that there are more effective ways than abusing fighters that also are not considered. For example civilians in territories occupied by the enemy or spys.

As far as I know, ground reconnaissance as a stat is only relevant on a tactical level, e.g. in combat (21.DD) and not on a strategic level. Notable exception is radar (39.DD).

Thanks, hopefully it is included further down the road as it was a nice way in HOI3 to get some more info if you had the Air Force to do it about troop dispositions and so forth since it provided some significant information weather permitting without having to wait for spy's or civilians to report back on activities especially if you wanted specific targets scouted such as landing beaches etc. or if the AI/Human opponent has a lot of MP squashing the resistance so you have another avenue to gather intel.

 

[uther4117]

There should be more options than what historically happened.. Balance comes here, AA vs Strats .. Can they protect themselves in a late Japan IRL situation? No aircraft, no AA.. You should get obliterated!!

 

[Denkt]

You do get obliterated if you don't get AA and fighters.

AA reduce the effectivness the bombers can drop their bombs on your factories. This because AA force aircrafts to fly at a higher altitude and thus they can not hit the factories as often. Fighters will shoot down bombers and disturb bombers.

The quick way to destroy a nation is probably with rockets.

 

[uther4117]

I refer to them not existing would be a disaster

 

[Mevsrei]

In WW2 we all have seen the foundamental role of airplane, in my opinion in HOI4 this role are somehow secondary. Strategic bombing when we or enemy have the air supremacy should be more effective, up to completely cripple infrastructure and industry. I would like to see the strategic bombing as something to be feared and much more dangerous for industry and infrastructure.

In combination with the current strategic-bombing mechanic I don't think that doing even more damage with strategic bombing is going to be a good idea.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ers-dont-attack-planes-passing-trough.909877/

 

[Victor Cortez]

Well, if you bomb Germany to kingdom come they won't hace the civ industries to buy resources.

 

[Gratch11]

IRL the bombings were no way near as successful as they thought they were.

The two most significant results were the bombing of the oilfields in Romania and the CAS going after airfields in UK 1940 and germany in 44.

You dont bomb infrastructure with strat bombers.