ai_strategy values suddenly stop working? (possible bug?)

[FoxDie24]

This is related to a bug report I made:

HoI 4 - AI strategies for naval capital unit ratios and battlecruiser/battleship role ratios keep disappearing { version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D) (S) }

Description of issue AI strategies for naval capital unit ratios and battlecruiser/battleship role ratios keep disappearing { version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D) (S) } What platform do you play on? Steam Game Version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D)...

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Basically, the values for role_ratio for Battleships and Battlecruisers and unit_ratio for capital ships just stop working for no reason. (For what I've tested)

So I was playing around with debug mode and ai_strategy view and noticed something: It's not only role_ratios for ships, but also other strategy values?

I made a mod that makes Germany reject Italy's request to join the war until the Benelux has fallen (a dont_join_wars_with strategy), and I noticed that the values for the strategy were gone despite the strategy being active. And I know it was a bug because when I reloaded the save everything was fine.

So I make this post asking if anyone else has experienced or seen this bug or it's just something that happens to me.

 

[stjern]

This is related to a bug report I made:

HoI 4 - AI strategies for naval capital unit ratios and battlecruiser/battleship role ratios keep disappearing { version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D) (S) }

Description of issue AI strategies for naval capital unit ratios and battlecruiser/battleship role ratios keep disappearing { version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D) (S) } What platform do you play on? Steam Game Version 1.12.10.91f2 (0f26) (D)...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

Basically, the values for role_ratio for Battleships and Battlecruisers and unit_ratio for capital ships just stop working for no reason. (For what I've tested)

So I was playing around with debug mode and ai_strategy view and noticed something: It's not only role_ratios for ships, but also other strategy values?

I made a mod that makes Germany reject Italy's request to join the war until the Benelux has fallen (a dont_join_wars_with strategy), and I noticed that the values for the strategy were gone despite the strategy being active. And I know it was a bug because when I reloaded the save everything was fine.

So I make this post asking if anyone else has experienced or seen this bug or it's just something that happens to me.

Hi, the ai strategies are not properly aborted/enabled. Its a very old known issue that we hope paradox will fix one day.

example: if the abort condition checks if a tech or a focus has NOT been completed, it will never properly evaluate until you reload the save.
I know its frustrating but there are workarounds you just have to test that each ai strategy you add actually works, paradox probably doesnt have the programmers that understood this part of the code anymore.

 

[Mister Analyst]

Helpful and upvoted!

 

[FoxDie24]

Hi, the ai strategies are not properly aborted/enabled. Its a very old known issue that we hope paradox will fix one day.

example: if the abort condition checks if a tech or a focus has NOT been completed, it will never properly evaluate until you reload the save.
I know its frustrating but there are workarounds you just have to test that each ai strategy you add actually works, paradox probably doesnt have the programmers that understood this part of the code anymore.

I made a mod that increases the role_ratio for Battleships and Battlecruisers for the Major powers and I need to constantly reload the game every half a year because of this.

I don't remember the game being so bad bug wise before. I don't know, probably because I didn't pay that much atention before.

I feel that ever since Dan Lind left, the quality of the game has been going down. They keep adding these new systems to the game instead of refining the ones that already exist (just look at the supply system)

 

[stjern]

I made a mod that increases the role_ratio for Battleships and Battlecruisers for the Major powers and I need to constantly reload the game every half a year because of this.

I don't remember the game being so bad bug wise before. I don't know, probably because I didn't pay that much atention before.

I feel that ever since Dan Lind left, the quality of the game has been going down. They keep adding these new systems to the game instead of refining the ones that already exist (just look at the supply system)

You need to change the abort conditions until they evaluate at Runtime rather than only at reload. I know its incredibly frustrating.

 

[bitmode]

just stop working for no reason

a very old known issue

So is it new or old?

Is the example in the bug report one of the unmodded strategies in ai_strategy/JAP.txt?

 

[FoxDie24]

Is the example in the bug report one of the unmodded strategies in ai_strategy/JAP.txt?

Yes

 

[FoxDie24]

You need to change the abort conditions until they evaluate at Runtime rather than only at reload. I know its incredibly frustrating.

Can you elaborate on that?

I think this bug goes beyond any workaround. I tried adding the strategies as flat values ( by an add_ai_strategy command ) and still doesn't work, the same bug happens. If it's a problem with the abort conditions, adding the strategies as flat values should solve it, right?

...right?

 

[FoxDie24]

Yeah, it just doesn't work no matter what I do.
I'm so done with this game.