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So I did a Hansa game with AoW to check out things.. I was surprised to find that the Hansa starts out so strong - I think I had 10k ducats in my treasury by 1470 and no coalitions ever formed against me, though I did decide to stay small in Europe and focus on trade and colonization.

Anyway, I really wish the AI would be just a little more competent and challenging in the trade game. As much fun as it is to redirect the entire worlds trade to Lübeck, it gets a bit stale when no one opposes you. As evidenced by these pictures:

Income:
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Comparison:
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Really, any competent player would put 200 light ships in the ivory coast or carribean node and force me to fight for my money or rethink my trade network - though I suppose it doesn't help that the naval powers keeps fighting each other (and me) and they are hopeless at rebuilding their fleets.

Also, I am pretty sure there is a bug somewhere with colonial nations force limit calculations since my naval force limits are somewhere near 900 and I don't have a single level 5 naval building :) I don't even have to do anything when the other 'colonial powers' declare war on me.. my 100+ ship trade fleets sinks anything that tries to challenge me....

A quick disclaimer that I don't usually play singleplayer, the AI simply stopped being any sort of a challenge in EU since I started playing multiplayer back in EU2 - that said, I do think EU4 is by far the best game for singleplayer out of all the iterations.

That's all I wanted to say :) Was a bit.. frustrated I suppose. I really wanted to finish this game and finally play an ironman game to the end date, but it seems a bit pointless to play through the remaining century chasing just a few more ducats when you are already the worlds unquestioned superpower.
 

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You're playing as the Hanseatic League, and you turned it into a monarchy? What heresy is this?

You're right though, the AI rolls over far too easily when it comes to trade. They don't build nearly enough light ships, for one thing, and they don't use privateers enough.
 

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You're playing as the Hanseatic League, and you turned it into a monarchy? What heresy is this?

I know :sad: I actually didn't mean to.. I cut it a bit too low on the republican tradition and my 30-something 6-6-6 ruler decided to declare himself dictator... it was half a century of unprecedented progress for the Hansa, but his son was crowned king when he died and I wasn't able to find any way to turn back into a republic in 1.8....... maybe I missed something?
 

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How are you getting 1K+ trade income without having blobbed all over half the world? I had to conquer everything between india and spain before I got anywhere near that
Did they change something about trade recently (other than supply-demand being removed)? Is it finally viable to earn money out of trade without straight-up conquering everything hideously?
 

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How are you getting 1K+ trade income without having blobbed all over half the world? I had to conquer everything between india and spain before I got anywhere near that

Um.. I did technically blob across half the world.. it's not really that hard to reach high trade income when you basically own the trade route Canton -> Malacca -> Bengal -> Ceylon -> Gulf of Aden -> Zanzibar -> South Africa -> Ivory Coast -> Caribbean -> Chesapeake -> St. Lawrence -> North Sea -> Lübeck..

And owning trade is just a matter of grabbing the center of trade provinces and making them trade companies and building custom houses. Upstream trade power will take care of the rest.
 

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Back on topic, the AI really should try to at least reach their force limit in light ships ASAP.. especially in the late game, the ships usually pay for themselves right away. I realize that coding an AI able to handle the trade system is immensely difficult, but it's sad that I am able to move hundreds of ducats right by its nose without them doing a thing to steal from me.

Spain, Portugal or France could literally double their monthly income very easily by hijacking some of my trade.