AI stating instead of making trade companies

[AmizarEagle]

I've noticed in 1.33 that the colonizer AI will refuse to make trade companies and will instead state all of their African and Asian provinces. I've tried tagging to Portugal and manually making the provinces trade companies, but the AI will just switch it back to a state (despite trade investments). I've looked in defines.lua to see if there is anything and the only things regarding trade companies are:
TRADE_COMPANY_CONTROL_LIMIT = 0.6,
TRADE_COMPANY_DAYS_TO_SWAP_LEADER = 30,
TRADE_COMPANY_STRONG_LIMIT = 0.51,
TRADE_COMPANY_COOLDOWN = 60,
TRADE_COMPANY_RELIGION_RESTRICTION = 0,
I am also having a hard time figuring out what the first two do as there are no comments

 

[Sunsteel]

I've noticed in 1.33 that the colonizer AI will refuse to make trade companies and will instead state all of their African and Asian provinces. I've tried tagging to Portugal and manually making the provinces trade companies, but the AI will just switch it back to a state (despite trade investments). I've looked in defines.lua to see if there is anything and the only things regarding trade companies are:
TRADE_COMPANY_CONTROL_LIMIT = 0.6,
TRADE_COMPANY_DAYS_TO_SWAP_LEADER = 30,
TRADE_COMPANY_STRONG_LIMIT = 0.51,
TRADE_COMPANY_COOLDOWN = 60,
TRADE_COMPANY_RELIGION_RESTRICTION = 0,
I am also having a hard time figuring out what the first two do as there are no comments

Is them not making trade companies a problem?

 

[X_FloW]

Is them not making trade companies a problem?

trade companies are important for a strong economy and trade

 

[Sunsteel]

trade companies are important for a strong economy and trade

Okay, I was just wondering because I'm a beginner (with 100 hours) because I got all the DLCs through Humble Bundle.

 

[X_FloW]

Okay, I was just wondering because I'm a beginner (with 100 hours) because I got all the DLCs through Humble Bundle.

Oh it's okay, this is an example why trade companies are important in asia (especially Indonesia)

you can see why it would cripple european AI if they colonize south east asia without setting up trading companies, around 50% of my income (that is like 600 ducats) is from trade companies

 

[Sunsteel]

Oh it's okay, this is an example why trade companies are important in asia (especially Indonesia)
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you can see why it would cripple european AI if they colonize south east asia without setting up trading companies, around 50% of my income (that is like 600 ducats) is from trade companies

I get it now.

 

[Richard-monagha]

Okay, I was just wondering because I'm a beginner (with 100 hours) because I got all the DLCs through Humble Bundle.

If you have a large empire outside of your capitols subcontinent (in this case Western Europe for Portugal) then its best to make provinces into trade companies outside of Western Europe as you only have a limited amount of governing capacity to use to make states and you want to be stating all provinces within your main subcontinent while making all other provinces that move trade into your main trade node into TC. Trade companies increase the trade flow from those areas into your main trade node bringing in more trade income and also reduces religious unity from TC provinces.

 

[Less2]

The AI is incapable of properly blobbing specific trade nodes and creating multiplicative trade routes except by pure and rare accident (basically something that only the Ottomans are likely to do in a normal game). Additionally its usually not money the AI needs but manpower and forcelimit. The AI also doesn't need to take advantage of 50% less coring cost since it's not trying to WC. So I don't really see a reason why the AI shouldn't state everything aside from possible GC issues.

 

[JackNotLantern]

Is them not making trade companies a problem?

There are 3 main problems. Except for money explained above, they will very quickly get to govering capacity limit that is a problem for them - they state everything since there is no state limit. Also institutions spread in states, what make the world even more equal in tech that it already is. Also, you know, immerion is kind of broken when you see them making - integral part of their country - out of random provinces in Africa that should be just colonis.

 

[YellowPress]

I've noticed in 1.33 that the colonizer AI will refuse to make trade companies and will instead state all of their African and Asian provinces. I've tried tagging to Portugal and manually making the provinces trade companies, but the AI will just switch it back to a state (despite trade investments). I've looked in defines.lua to see if there is anything and the only things regarding trade companies are:
TRADE_COMPANY_CONTROL_LIMIT = 0.6,
TRADE_COMPANY_DAYS_TO_SWAP_LEADER = 30,
TRADE_COMPANY_STRONG_LIMIT = 0.51,
TRADE_COMPANY_COOLDOWN = 60,
TRADE_COMPANY_RELIGION_RESTRICTION = 0,
I am also having a hard time figuring out what the first two do as there are no comments

Can you check if they're stating areas which lack a centre of trade? As a player would do this. They also might be wanting to convert provinces first for the goods produced bonus

 

[AmizarEagle]

Can you check if they're stating areas which lack a centre of trade? As a player would do this. They also might be wanting to convert provinces first for the goods produced bonus

It is mostly random. As you can see, they kept African provinces as territories as well as one I gave them on Borneo. However, they will instantly restate the Indian (those with and without centers of trade) and Arabian areas if I unstate and turn them into trade companies. It might be that the AI thinks it will make more money if it is a state but obviously with investments that untrue.

 

[AmizarEagle]

I've tested some more and they will make trade companies if their governing capacity is full, but will otherwise state overseas provinces until they hit that limit.

 

[YellowPress]

It is mostly random. As you can see, they kept African provinces as territories as well as one I gave them on Borneo. However, they will instantly restate the Indian (those with and without centers of trade) and Arabian areas if I unstate and turn them into trade companies. It might be that the AI thinks it will make more money if it is a state but obviously with investments that untrue.

Can you check for tags other than Portugal? Might be ai code for Portugal to not make trade companies as they were very much still part of central authority
Investments can make tc produce more than a state, but Portugal starts with such low manpower ai might desperately try to state everything to have the manpower to resist castile, or doesn't plan ahead enough for investments to be worth it

 

[AmizarEagle]

Can you check for tags other than Portugal? Might be ai code for Portugal to not make trade companies as they were very much still part of central authority
Investments can make tc produce more than a state, but Portugal starts with such low manpower ai might desperately try to state everything to have the manpower to resist castile, or doesn't plan ahead enough for investments to be worth it

I tried with Spain and France and had the same results. The AI seems to just prioritize stating provinces until it hits the government capacity limit. I also tried modding the STATE_MAINTENANCE_CONTINENT_FACTOR = 0.25, to a much higher number and the Ai will choose to lose money rather than make overseas areas a territory.

 

[YellowPress]

I tried with Spain and France and had the same results

With same provinces as centres of trade?

. The AI seems to just prioritize stating provinces until it hits the government capacity limit. I also tried modding the STATE_MAINTENANCE_CONTINENT_FACTOR = 0.25, to a much higher number and the Ai will choose to lose money rather than make overseas areas a territory.

Probably not that adaptive a script

 

[AmizarEagle]

With same provinces as centres of trade?

Probably not that adaptive a script

I tried with similar Indian provinces, with both centers of trade and without.

 

[nobodyinparticular]

Noticed the same as of recent that the Iberians will make their moves into North Africa as always but will state everything instead of trade companying it. Definitely something that needs to be fixed.