AI should accept peace deals that it cannot contest.
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I am fairly sure that if you fully annexed England as France in 1454 or whenever, you'd end up with like 400% OE and it would break your country.
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Eh. You could release wales and cornwall as vassals, feed them a bit of land, and core the rest. Overextension isn't that bad.
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Or just don’t let someone take infinite land in a peace deal.
And I wasn’t thinking so much about the early game, but around the mid game when you are big enough to scare off a lot of coalitions, are able to truce cycle, and have the power to maintain lots of largevassals.
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There are military games, where the winner of a war can get all territory he occupies in a peace deal.
EU4 is not like this. I like it and I want it to stay that way.
It is one of the challenges of EU4.
If you want more, you have to do more.
The pictures you showed must be taken exactly at the 5-year mark. Length of war is not listed in the reasons for the possible peace deal. So it must be 0, which happens exactly 60 months after the start of the war.
At this point usually AI-allies leave the war. So prob in your game AI-England did white-peace out Burgundy and Milan soon after. An improvement for AI-England.
After isolating you, AI-England could use his fleet to blockade your ports, including in the Med, not those of Burgundy anymore.
You could have started building a fleet on day 1 of the game, 11.Nov.44. Your choice not to do so. So after a few years France can get a fleet strong enough to play the naval game. This is not to mess with the English Heavies, it is for safely transporting French troops to the island.
In my AAR I have shown a side-run, where I used Narbonne as a startpoint.
That is improvable. Ask Castile for mil and fleet access, the same with Scotland. Send the fleet to Coruna in Galicia, sail around Ireland from the west to somewhere north in Scotland, like Inverness. That is the cautious version, when I don't have full knowledge about the English navy.
If I know the entire English navy is in the blockade of Holland and there is no danger of Burgundy peacing out, the transfer can be done from Finistere (Brittany) through the Irish Sea. Theoretically a single transport would suffice.
You neither have to cross the Channel, nor conquer London. The fort in Northumberland and some unfortified provinces are enough to make England give away 100%.
Last point, already mentioned: Reconquest War
Insta dec on 11.Dec.44 gives the following advantages:
- prevents England from chickening out with surrendering just Maine
- no payment of Dip Points for taking cores back
- just 75% WS for cores, so it is possible to take more provinces from England than just the 7 cores
- just 25% AE for cores, invaluable
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This is not about asking for how to game this, this is asking for a change to how the game works. I think it's silly that it works this way even fi there are ways around it
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If you attack ASAP at 11 December with Reconquest CB, you can get enough warscore to get all of this, Calais and even Mann. Also you could drain some money from Portugal.
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There's a tip on the start screen saying something like "You don't have to take all the enemy land in one war". One of the more useful ones.
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This isn’t about gaming the system, this is about how ridiculous this situation is.
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@Eruth It is indeed ridiculous that England should be forced to give up their claim to their European possessions without pressure at home.
Would you, as England, accept such a peace deal in that situation, given France has no way of pushing you harder?
Would you, as England, accept such a peace deal in that situation, given France has no way of pushing you harder?
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A: I (as England) would like to stop having war exhaustion (up to 13 when I peaced) and I would like to regain Calais, which is not included in the deal.
B: Whether or not England wants to accept they should really have no choice; IRL, France could just start administrating those territories and England couldn't do anything about it.
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A: If I were England, I knew that I would be quite safe, I could maybe get attacked by Burgundy, but that wouldn't matter, since all my continental holdings are already occupied. Burgundy(or Spain, or Austria) could also attack France, which would help me. It would actually get me a possibility to easily conquer Scotland. War Exhaustion is overrated.
B: IRL is not an argument, but let's assume it is. IRL England could go on with their live, France would be navally blockaded and suffer. French rebellious vassals would tear France apart because of the blockade and the consequential problems of it. While probably Spain and maybe Austria would also attack France.
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Dont know mate, Napoleon did walk all the way to Russia after all. The 7 English Galleys in the English Channel could only watch as it happend. Sure some of the crew men might have given him the middle finger while he marched his Legions in to Central europe. But i dont think France or MR Napoleon got in to a state of panic.
If we're bringing Napoleon into it, the complaint of the OP might almost have been written by him. Britain getting thrashed on the continent but refusing to come to terms because they are safe across the channel is a recurring theme in European history,
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Part of the issue here is that warscore is a really weird, gamey construct that's left over from before we had all these other mechanics (overextension, aggressive expansion, governing capacity, etc.) that reflected the internal and external limits of what you could take over.
Actually that's even a better example. England got it's teeth kicked in on the continent. It retreated back to the island, refused peace and starting blockading. France tried a few times to invade England but couldn't manage to get a good army across. France lost a few major naval battles and had no way to get across anymore. Napoleon showed up and decided to take half of Europe. At the end Napoleon was destroyed by the other nations joining the war and England managed to get a nice couple of colonies through it. This is of course a major simplification, but that's what we do here
Offtopic, I'm just busy reading The War of Wars: The Epic Struggle Between Britain and France: 1789-1815: The Great European Conflict by Robert Harvey, Recommendable!
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The pressure at home starts when he is getting drowned into War of the Roses: the rebellions itself give him desire to peace, and the armies are getting weaker too.
AGAIN, even if England didn't want to give me the land because they didn't care I could just take it. You might as well say that, even after occupying all of England, the government could just go live a lavish exile in Austria or somewhere and never feel the need to concede the war. Yeah, they could, but that doesn't mean that I would just take what I want and damn their opinion.
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