AI Runs Eternal Resource Deficits

[TurtleShroom]

Good evening.

I play "Stellaris" with a butt load of Mods, and one thing I've noticed is that the AI is always Pathetic next to me by the mid-game. I am not filing this as a bug because of the possibility of Mod problems. I do NOT use the Glavius AI.

After finally deciding to observe every AI empire in my current game, I found out that almost everyone was running an Energy deficit. Many of them were also running Mineral deficits or Food deficits. I manually gave them all five thousand or more of each and fixed their planets in order to make the game more challenging for me.

What exactly would Mods change that would cause the AI to fail so spectacularly? They all spam Commercial Districts in every building slot on every planet and, becaue of the deficits, build Hydroponic Farms to stave off famine because they cannot afford to build Districts. This compounds with every new Pop until the entire galaxy has one-third of my fleet levels.

While I can easily go in and give each AI empire thousands upon thousands of resources, I would prefer to figure out what is going wrong and why this is affecting my game so much.

If anyone has any idea or suggestion as to what may be causing this, please let me know.

Thank you.


Deus Vult,
-TURTLESHROOM

 

[Zenopath]

You definately should get glavius AI mod. its pretty much a must have. (if you don´t already)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1584133829

(edit) just read in op that you specifically said you dont use this mod. so this reply seems pointless, sort of just read title and thought, glavius fixes this problem, then read the actual post. but am curious as to why you dont?

 

[TurtleShroom]

Spoiler: Mods In Use

"mod/ugc_1087781345.mod"
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"mod/ugc_1634579501.mod"
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"mod/ugc_1641807098.mod"
"mod/ugc_1644767570.mod"
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"mod/ugc_681987087.mod"
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"mod/ugc_825932843.mod"
"mod/ugc_870745933.mod"
"mod/ugc_901039859.mod"
"mod/ugc_901988941.mod"
"mod/ugc_910751973.mod"
"mod/ugc_912539543.mod"
"mod/ugc_931620803.mod"

 

[TurtleShroom]

@Zenopath

You definately should get glavius AI mod. its pretty much a must have. (if you don´t already)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1584133829

"Stellaris" never does this in the Vanilla rendition. Every AI empire only runs simultanous deficits and refuses to build anything beyond "Pathetic" in my modified set up. I want to delve into what could be causing it before I turn to Glavius.

Just read in op that you specifically said you dont use this mod. so this reply seems pointless, sort of just read title and thought, glavius fixes this problem, then read the actual post. but am curious as to why you dont?

Glavius is more or less a total conversion of the entire video game. EVERYTHING is changed by it and thus dozens of Compatibility Patches are needed. I use so many Mods that are not patched by Glavius, including some I cannot play "Stellaris" without, such as "Human Fallen Empires".

 

[Zenopath]

Well, I can tell you what Glavius did to fix this problem, he reprioritized a lot of buildings and job types, and created a dummy building to give the AI something to build in slots when it shouldn´t be building anything. Vanilla stellaris AI feels obligated to build way more than it actually needs, and isnt willing to leave empty building slots, leading to problems with not enough pops to fill jobs.

 

[TurtleShroom]

@Zenopath

Huh. So I take that this issue is not unique to my set up? How often does this happen?

 

[Zenopath]

So far as i can tell, the vanilla Ai is so broken that grand admiral is not even a challenge. Main reason is what you observed, it can´t balance its economy. It overbuilds and does not wait for pop to grow to fill job requirements, so it will have overabundance of specialists and not nearly enough basic resource gatherers.

Glavius AI mod does fix this issue and makes the AI decent at managing its economy... I find the game challenging enough at high difficulty settings with mod to be interesting. Vanilla stellaris is currently pretty unplayable.

 

[sillyrobot]

@Zenopath

Huh. So I take that this issue is not unique to my set up? How often does this happen?

Pretty much every game.

 

[TurtleShroom]

@Zenopath / @sillyrobot

I'm really nervous about taking Glavius AI because it has such bad compatibility problems. I don't want my endless plethora of Mods busted by it.

 

[TurtleShroom]

The only part I would want from the Glavius AI Mod I want is the economic fix. I have no problem with the AI outside of the suicidal death spiral where it runs out of basic resources all at once. I don't need anything else. Is there a stand-alone version that fixes the economic issues?

I'm sick of every AI Empire being Pathetic in comparison to my Empire. I just want them to actually run surpluses so they can play against me.

 

[Zenopath]

The only part I would want from the Glavius AI Mod I want is the economic fix. I have no problem with the AI outside of the suicidal death spiral where it runs out of basic resources all at once. I don't need anything else. Is there a stand-alone version that fixes the economic issues?

I'm sick of every AI Empire being Pathetic in comparison to my Empire. I just want them to actually run surpluses so they can play against me.

In theory, you could just give the AI a raw resource boost. I am not exactly sure where you would need to edit to accomplish this, but should be easy to mod

 

[sillyrobot]

@Zenopath / @sillyrobot

I'm really nervous about taking Glavius AI because it has such bad compatibility problems. I don't want my endless plethora of Mods busted by it.

I'm afraid I can't talk to that. The only mod I used in 2.2 is one I wrote myself. I try to get used to new revisions before figuring out what changes, if any, I feel the game needs. I stopped playing 2.2 for the moment because aspects I would need fixed to have fun are broken beyond the ability of modding to repair. AI would be a prime candidate for repair though. I was experiencing brain-dead AI in all the games I did play -- not necessarily every empire, but every game had at least some of the empires completely borked.

 

[The-False-Being26]

The only part I would want from the Glavius AI Mod I want is the economic fix. I have no problem with the AI outside of the suicidal death spiral where it runs out of basic resources all at once. I don't need anything else. Is there a stand-alone version that fixes the economic issues?

I'm sick of every AI Empire being Pathetic in comparison to my Empire. I just want them to actually run surpluses so they can play against me.

All Glavius AI does is fix the economy and try’s to fix the AI bad fleet movement. Also I remember reading that his mod was design to be compatible with as many mods as possible. I’m not sure why you call it a total conversion mod.

Also it’s worth noting that no other mod will fix the AI economic problems without giving them major cheats. The AI in the base game is so broken that even on the highest difficulty their pathetic by mid game.

 

[Novacat]

From personal experience, Glavius AI tends to work pretty well with mods. The only Glavius-related issues have been more to do with it being constantly-updated hotcode than any compatibility issues.

 

[stumason]

I run a butt load of mods (around 40 or 50 in total), including Glavius. I have a few compatibility patches were available, but if not I run the mods anyway. It seems to play pretty well with most mods, with or without.

I would strongly recommend giving it a go and not worrying about CP for them if they aren't available, chances are the game will work just fine and you won't be up against such pathetic AI's in mid game.

 

[Platoondas]

@Zenopath / @sillyrobot

I'm really nervous about taking Glavius AI because it has such bad compatibility problems. I don't want my endless plethora of Mods busted by it.

I would suggest you reverse this policy; mine is I am really nervous about taking any mod that is not compatible with Glavius. It suggests quite strongly that the mod maker doesn't care about your experience with the AI.

 

[Agamemnic]

This is why I started playing at grand admiral difficulty. But its imbalanced. The early game is nigh impossible but by mid game you're in pole position; by late game every AI planet is riddles with ruined buildings, nonsensical pop growth blockers, excess commerce buildings etc

Then I tried Glavius. I'll never go back.

 

[Defiler99]

5 achievements left and then I can finally switch to Glavius as well. The current vanilla AI is too sad to even be amusing.

 

[Secret Master]

But its imbalanced. The early game is nigh impossible but by mid game you're in pole position; by late game every AI planet is riddles with ruined buildings, nonsensical pop growth blockers, excess commerce buildings etc

This is what I don't understand. How in the Hell does the AI seem to be able to have the alloys, minerals, and food to seriously threaten me in year 30 (no advanced starts even), but by the time we get to 100 years in, it's facing a catastrophe.

 

[MeowBeep]

Trying out Glavius might actually be a good method of determining if any of your mods are effecting the Al economy.

I would also recommend playing on the test branch if you aren't already.