AI refusing peace?

[unmerged(90421)]

Hello Everyone.

Before I describe my main problem with the peace function, I'm having problems understanding the basics of the "sue for peace" window, particualry with the purpose of the "warscore" and how it relates to the value at the bottom. The manual is quite unclear about this, only stating that "an enemy is unlikely to agree to a proposal that is close to the exact warscore value" close how in a plus or minus direction?, i'm not sure.

This leads me to why the enemy doesn't accept any peace at all, were they should be in a position to do so. I'm playing Germany and have much of Europe under my control, Noth Africa aswell, along with India, Persia, and the Middle East. Soviet Union is annexed, and I have nuclear weapons for which I have already demonstrated on allied armies. USA is now weakened and only has just over 20 divisions but all its homeland territory and a few outside its home. I tried peace with them by "insisting demands" as a "separate peace" and demanded 5 provinces in north africa including Casablanca, but they refused. It seems I have tried everything in the window including "for the alliance" but they keep refusing. This is the same case with the UK except obviously I occupy more of their colonial territory. The only thing I havn't tried much is improving my relations with them by "Influence nation", does this have any effects on making peace?. Also my beligerance is pretty high at over 300.

Please Help!!

 

[theokrat]

mayor allainces never accpet peace with each other.

 

[unmerged(90421)]

what do you mean "mayor alliances" do you mean major? please write more coherently. Are you saying you cannot make peace between powers? please elaborate. or may someone else answer this. I'm trying to make peace with britain and USA, I have no more reason to fight them.

 

[sbr]

what do you mean "mayor alliances" do you mean major? please write more coherently. Are you saying you cannot make peace between powers? please elaborate. or may someone else answer this. I'm trying to make peace with britain and USA, I have no more reason to fight them.

There are people from all over the world on these forums and most speak English as a second language. Please be more polite and respectful to people who are going out of their way to answer your questions.

The major alliances NEVER accept peace proposals. EVER. There are some events that will cause their surrender.

 

[unmerged(89506)]

Like look at the actual historical instance. UK, main head of the Allies, refused countless times to have a peace with Germany, although it would have benefited UK to stop fighting.

 

[unmerged(90421)]

There are people from all over the world on these forums and most speak English as a second language. Please be more polite and respectful to people who are going out of their way to answer your questions.

The major alliances NEVER accept peace proposals. EVER. Their are some events that will cause their surrender.

First of all, I was polite, and second i don't think a one liner response that poorly elaborates on any of the issues of a full post regardless of English skills is of any help to anyone.

Like look at the actual historical instance. UK, main head of the Allies, refused countless times to have a peace with Germany, although it would have benefited UK to stop fighting.

Thats because a peace with the Axis was still a threat to their colonies, and they were in too much of a positive position to make peace, they were more than certain that the invasion of the Soviet Union would fail. And most importantly the losing position the allies are currently in my game would most certainly suggest for some sort of peace treaty. I mean I have NUKES for goodness sake, which is a whole different ball game now. The allies don't have any. If anybody has read "Fatherland", a fictional text revolving around an alternative history wereby Germany wins the war, they would know that the UK makes peace soon after German victory over the Soviet Union, the USA makes peace after Germany detonates a nuclear missile over the New York skies, and this text is considered by many historians as a likely scenario if Germany won the war. And of course no nation wants a nuclear war, therefore are you sure there is no way of making peace, what about influencing the nation? or as a member mention a specific event that will cause peace? or is there a way to alter the game files?

 

[sbr]

First of all, I was polite, and second i don't think a one liner response that poorly elaborates on any of the issues of a full post regardless of English skills is of any help to anyone.

OK we will assume I misinterpreted your tone and leave it at that.

In game there is not much more to say than major power never accept peace. Relations, IC, number of troops, nukes do not matter it is hard coded that they will not surrender. I don't know a lot about the surrender events because I tend to lose interest once I get that far. If you want to check them out to go:

Program Files/Paradox Interactive/Hearts of Iron/db/events

you can open these with a text editor like notepad and read them over, it took me a while to understand some of the language and triggers but it is worth looking at. I have heard they are not realistic and hard to deal with but again I don't know. As to what you can do you have a couple of choices. You could(or have someone else) write some custom surrender events. Go to the scenarios and mods forums and look and/or ask there. You could also mod your game save files and just end the war and move provinces around but that would be very time consuming. I don't have time to get into how to do that right now.

Saved games are in scenarios/save game folder.

Before I describe my main problem with the peace function, I'm having problems understanding the basics of the "sue for peace" window, particualry with the purpose of the "warscore" and how it relates to the value at the bottom. The manual is quite unclear about this, only stating that "an enemy is unlikely to agree to a proposal that is close to the exact warscore value" close how in a plus or minus direction?, i'm not sure.

I am not sure my self, I don't offer or accept many peace proposal myself. If I am at war with someone I go until one of us is gone.

Thats because a peace with the Axis was still a threat to their colonies, and they were in too much of a positive position to make peace, they were more than certain that the invasion of the Soviet Union would fail. And most importantly the losing position the allies are currently in my game would most certainly suggest for some sort of peace treaty. I mean I have NUKES for goodness sake, which is a whole different ball game now. The allies don't have any. If anybody has read "Fatherland", a fictional text revolving around an alternative history wereby Germany wins the war, they would know that the UK makes peace soon after German victory over the Soviet Union, the USA makes peace after Germany detonates a nuclear missile over the New York skies, and this text is considered by many historians as a likely scenario if Germany won the war. And of course no nation wants a nuclear war,

On the upper part of this page there is an Enhancement Suggestions forum where you could discuss this for another game(HOI3?). There is also a History forum under the Fun forums heading for discussions like this, but unfortunately in this game none of this matters.

 

[theokrat]

what do you mean "mayor alliances" do you mean major?

Lol. Sorry if that was not understandable for you. Major alliances (aka the Axis, Allies and Comintern) do not accept peace with each other under any circumstance whatsoever if its not forced by an event.

However it is up to you to use the "acceptall" cheat to the Ai accept any proposal.

I hope thats understandable now. If not, well then i will leave it to you.

 

[blue emu]

You could also just fire the peace events by hand:

<F12> event 13 <enter>
event 14 <enter>
<F12> <enter>

Note that in both of the subsequently triggered events (event 66 and event 67), the UK and USA have a 50% chance of refusing the peace. Before triggering events 13 and 14, you might want to open /db/hoi2.txt in Notepad and adjust the ai_chance parameters in option_a and option_b from 50/50 to 100/0. Then save and exit, reload your save-game, and trigger events 13 and 14.

 

[unmerged(90421)]

Thanks for the responses , hmm I guess then these "cheats" are the only way and they will help allot. I guess this makes the "Sue for Peace" window useless which makes me wonder whats the point of it being there in the first place.

 

[blue emu]

... I guess this makes the "Sue for Peace" window useless...

... when one major alliance (Allies, Axis, Comintern) is dealing with another, yes. How many unaligned nations are there in the game, though? I typically use the "Sue for Peace" function when dealing with minors... for example, after capturing Helsinki, the USSR can get all three of their cores from Finland (Viipuri, Sortavala and Petsamo) by using the "Sue for Peace" function instead of waiting for the "End of the Winter War" event, which gives them only Viipuri and Sortavala (but not Petsamo).

 

[unmerged(88257)]

If majors don't accept peace with other majors, what about a major accepting peace with a minor. I.e. I DoW the Soviet Union as the USA (while not in the allies). I capture a bunch of provinces and sue for peace. Is there any chance they will accept, so long as I'm not part of the allies?

 

[theokrat]

yes

 

[Exel]

So when "Sue for Peace" is possible, ie. when not dealing with major alliances, how does the war score work? Is the peace more likely accepted if my demands are well under the war score? The only time I got peace with the function was against Syria after taking their only VP province, and even then they rejected anything else but a White Peace... o

 

[blue emu]

I've had peace proposals accepted when only ten points under the Warscore. Usually, though, I only ask for the terms that I feel I need.

Eg: In the winter War, the USSR takes Viipuri, Helsinki, Turku and Kajaani. Warscore is nearly 50%. I ask only for my three cores (Viipuri, Sortavala and Petsamo)... value 7%. They accept.

Why would I want any other provinces from them?

 

[Exel]

I haven't gotten Italy to accept even a White Peace after German surrender when they have only Albania left. Does Italy still classify as a 'major alliance' if it's all alone after German surrender?

 

[unmerged(88257)]

If it is in the axis then yes, it counts as a major alliance.