AI purging/enslaving entire populations

[bosik1]

I'm curious if that's a possibility? If aliens are any type of xenophobes, are willing to get rid or make use of species they see as inferior, or they will avoid such actions due to fear of negative opinion of galactic community? It would be kind of interesting reconquering your planet from them enemy and see all your citizens ferried all over their empire as slaves or invader species inhabiting the planet instead (and maybe find a massive graveyards or something as an event). I mean I expect AI to do some purges or enslavement, but I'm curious if it's going to be on massive scale, or just for few troublemaking pops. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[tobias.mb]

Well there is an AI personality Fanatical Purifier (or something like that)...
From what I have seen from the Blorg stream purging planets might not make a lot of sense though (gameplay wise). There is a good chance your primary species can't even inhabit their worlds.

 

[Qwynn]

I was actually just thinking about whether or not the AI will actually use slavery or purging (properly), or if it was more a player designed mechanic. That tends to happen sometimes in these types of games.

 

[bosik1]

I was actually just thinking about whether or not the AI will actually use slavery or purging (properly), or if it was more a player designed mechanic. That tends to happen sometimes in these types of games.

Thats's roughly what I've been thinking about. I mean it does make a little sense for xenophobes to let other aliens live peacefully on their worlds without any repressions or negative feedback from "true" citizens. Besides they can always replace them with robots.

 

[Abnwtwtud]

I would be pretty disappointed if the AI didn't occasionally have a truly vicious and evil alien race that would try to exterminate my species entirely, not just wiped out my nation.

 

[Brian Bóroimhe]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ai-personality-modding-template.923770/

Answers some of those questions for you.

 

[bosik1]

Basically I'm wondering if there is possibility of encountering something akin Hitler's Germany in space Races hell bent of extermination of beings considered by them as inferior not caring about opinion of other empires at all. Modding allows us to weight personality profile, but we don't know yet if there is any of profiles that is actually willing to do things that are suboptimal for it's economy/expansion efficiency.

 

[Brian Bóroimhe]

Basically I'm wondering if there is possibility of encountering something akin Hitler's Germany in space Races hell bent of extermination of beings considered by them as inferior not caring about opinion of other empires at all. Modding allows us to weight personality profile, but we don't know yet if there is any of profiles that is actually willing to do things that are suboptimal for it's economy/expansion efficiency.

Did you look in the code window Wiz posted in the thread I linked above you?

# hegemon -> Cares about the superiority of their own empire above all else
# ideologue -> Cares about combating opposing ethoses above all else
# purifier -> Cares about purifying the galaxy of other species above all else

 

[Amor_Fati]

Question: What happens if you conquer a world and purge ALL the pops in it? You "lose" the colony? Or you would remain with a 0-pop colony (for migration or ressetlement)?

 

[cletusallretus]

Question: What happens if you conquer a world and purge ALL the pops in it? You "lose" the colony? Or you would remain with a 0-pop colony (for migration or ressetlement)?

My guess is that it would revert to an unpopulated planet needing a colony but who knows till release

 

[Hallolo]

i think before purging the last pop there'll probably a message warning u either to set the planet back to uncolonized or blocking the purge of that last pop. Gameplaywise it wouldnt make sense purging it completely before sending robots or own pops there.

but assuming u dont have robots yet i'd guess its better to settle a bad planet for free with some own pops than purging it clearly

what im really curious about is if migration can leade to empty planets (assuming its not blocked emptying them)

 

[Grunthex]

I tend to think pushing that purge button will always be a sub-optimal decision from a rational standpoint, and is really only there for the player who wants to be space-evil.

The AI wouldn't push it, because there's no real benefit.

I do see them enslaving pops though. That seems quite practical.

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

But what about hardcoded omnicidal maniacs? Those should probably purge alien life even if its suboptimal decisions. I am even for some late game crisises to be capable of render planet a lifeless hubris, auto-purging is the minimum I want from them.

 

[Yenzen]

I was actually just thinking about whether or not the AI will actually use slavery or purging (properly), or if it was more a player designed mechanic. That tends to happen sometimes in these types of games.

I think collectivist and xenophobic empires as well as Despotic Empires and Divine Mandates will, especially with the right AI 'personality', otherwise what's the point of those? Also any alien with 'decadent' trait regardless of anything else.

 

[SolarGuy]

My guess is that it would revert to an unpopulated planet needing a colony but who knows till release

I guess it will just count as unpopulated until some new people migrate there. At least if you turned on Free Migration (or Forced Migration ). The buildings should technically stay there, they could simply not be used because there won't be enough people for quite some time.

 

[Brian Bóroimhe]

I tend to think pushing that purge button will always be a sub-optimal decision from a rational standpoint, and is really only there for the player who wants to be space-evil.

Yeah, pretty much, for players it will be an RP tool.
But eh...

The AI wouldn't push it, because there's no real benefit.

I'll try again..
The AI is not designed to play the game in a perfectly rational, "I want to win" manner. Rather it is roleplaying certain personalities. See the thread I linked above, where Wiz goes through the code for the AI personalities.

Regarding whether AI will ever use the purge button or not, I'll restate this line with dramatic gusto

# purifier -> Cares about purifying the galaxy of other species above all else

I'm pretty sure these guys might occasionally purge.

They're not the sort you want to invite to your party.

 

[dezuman]

I tend to think pushing that purge button will always be a sub-optimal decision from a rational standpoint, and is really only there for the player who wants to be space-evil.

The AI wouldn't push it, because there's no real benefit.

I do see them enslaving pops though. That seems quite practical.

If you are a xenophobic empire and you conquer an alien planet of your primary type I can see large benefits from simply purging the previous inhabitants and replacing them with loyal subjects. Remember that unhappy pops will both be less productive AND more likely to rebell!

 

[Beric]

I tend to think pushing that purge button will always be a sub-optimal decision from a rational standpoint, and is really only there for the player who wants to be space-evil.

The AI wouldn't push it, because there's no real benefit.

I do see them enslaving pops though. That seems quite practical.

We don't know that. Remember that Wiz said Xenophobes have super-powerful tech. That tech could be benefited by purging. Or maybe purging gives you influence, or a host of other things. The point is, we just don't know yet. So don't jump to conclusions.

 

[Number 7]

Well there is an AI personality Fanatical Purifier (or something like that)...
From what I have seen from the Blorg stream purging planets might not make a lot of sense though (gameplay wise). There is a good chance your primary species can't even inhabit their worlds.

you can always replace the population with robots. Barring an AI revolution or giving robots sentience, robots work at 100% efficiency with no chance for rebellion making them the perfect slaves, at the cost of requiring energy maintenance to be generated rather than putting some tiles on the planet to food production.

the other options are enslaving the planet, genetically modifying your own pops to have more habitability there, or terraforming

 

[Grunthex]

I stand corrected apparently! Sorry, my space-bureaucratic mindset refuses to accept that there is financial benefit in killing the captured slug-things, as opposed to put them to work, but I guess there could be cases in some hypothetical situation where it is called for, in which case I agree, the AI should use it.

Of course first it should make sure to extract maximum value from these resources.