ai nukes

[GrafKeks]

I think - no offense - you don't know much about the real history of WW2.

This wasn't a "let's nuke Japan because they're totally innocent" but rather the other way around. Japan was the only Nation massively using biological and chemical weapons in WW2, even against civilians. Approx. 30 millions got killed in China alone due to their aggressive warfare. The people in the other conquered regions weren't treated better. Their attack on Pearl Harbor was just the last straw. There was no remorse given. If you would have asked the average US citizen in 1942-1945 if they should kill all japanese they can find, you might have very probably found a clear majority for a yes.

In the American mind of that time, the japanese were much worse than the Nazis. Given that most of this was because the public already knew about the terrible things that the japanese did to the people in South-East asia while most things the nazis did were not yet known to the public.

Also, by using the A-Bomb they killed approx. 200.000 japanese. By using a conventional invasion army, they would have lost probably more than 200.000 American GIs alone, not to speak of Millions of Japanese who would have run against the Americans with sticks and stones.

The A-Bomb was the only hope to show their fascist gouvernment that it's over for good. If they wouldn't capitulate, they would be wiped of the map.
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1.The USA wanted to bring down germany first, because they knew more than enough about what happened to the jews.(Well the KZ´s were unknown mostly, but they were deporting them)

2.The American easily could stop Pearl Harbour, if they used scout planes and yep they were commonly used, but they didnt used on them exspecially on that day(sounds more like we tribute our troops to strengthen the war lust of our citizens)

3.(This is not really regarding your post, more of a opinion)The USA should´nt be upset, because of the biological weapons because they don´t had to face them.(There were even plans for using them on the USA, but Hirohito negated those)

4.BTW The usage of the A-Bomb wasn´t justified, only because they would lose some soldiers they simply can´t use their mass destruction prototype, the citizens also didn´t deserved that.

 

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1.The USA wanted to bring down germany first, because they knew more than enough about what happened to the jews.(Well the KZ´s were unknown mostly, but they were deporting them)

2.The American easily could stop Pearl Harbour, if they used scout planes and yep they were commonly used, but they didnt used on them exspecially on that day(sounds more like we tribute our troops to strengthen the war lust of our citizens)

3.(This is not really regarding your post, more of a opinion)The USA should´nt be upset, because of the biological weapons because they don´t had to face them.(There were even plans for using them on the USA, but Hirohito negated those)

4.BTW The usage of the A-Bomb wasn´t justified, only because they would lose some soldiers they simply can´t use their mass destruction prototype, the citizens also didn´t deserved that.

1) The USA had no love for either the Nazis or the Japanese, but there was certainly more animosity towards the latter. Pearl Harbor was viewed as one of the greatest US atrocities in history. This isn't justification, but it is explanation.

2) The idea that the US knew about Pearl Harbor before it happened or deliberately avoided it stands up to no serious scrutiny whatsoever. Was it a massive intelligence failing? Yes - the US could have known if it had done X, Y, Z. That's why afterwards the US worked hard and fast to develop a competent intelligence community. One of the foremost reasons that the US intelligence services admire prediction above all else is because it was formed as a reaction to a bad experience.

3) The US shouldn't have been upset on behalf of the huge numbers of innocents who were killed?

4) Actually that's pretty sound justification in wartime. If more deaths have to happen, it is an extremely deficient Commander in Chief who orders them to be on your own side instead of the enemy's. I also point out that at the time there was pretty much no consideration on any side that civilians weren't legitimate targets. Every single major belligerent reckoned they were, and whilst we can argue with the morality of that after the fact, the US cannot and should not be held to some special standard for agreeing with an essentially universally held opinion.

 

[Luxor]

Played a mod or modded the files myself?

I dont play 'mods'...............I do however mod the AI or save files in games and that alone isnt enough to actually make the AI build the reactors or use the nukes wisely.............it will get them to research the techs,and,as long as you remember to do it,the delivery systems.............but I have ALWAYS had to actually start them building reactors.............and unless one makes sure to put them someplace smart,the AI will,inevitably,put them someplace dumb............Moscow,Berlin or Miami seem popular for some reason...........

So,yes,its 'broken'. It dosent work,even if one tweaks it quite a bit.....and,to be fair,a 'mod' or a time consuming 'fix' in the savegame and other files isnt enough to call it 'unbroken',more like 'less broken and kind of fixed'........its best use is,of course,in multiplayer................

It's just a matter of how you set the AI files. If you don't know how, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

 

[GrafKeks]

1) The USA had no love for either the Nazis or the Japanese, but there was certainly more animosity towards the latter. Pearl Harbor was viewed as one of the greatest US atrocities in history. This isn't justification, but it is explanation.

2) The idea that the US knew about Pearl Harbor before it happened or deliberately avoided it stands up to no serious scrutiny whatsoever. Was it a massive intelligence failing? Yes - the US could have known if it had done X, Y, Z. That's why afterwards the US worked hard and fast to develop a competent intelligence community. One of the foremost reasons that the US intelligence services admire prediction above all else is because it was formed as a reaction to a bad experience.

3) The US shouldn't have been upset on behalf of the huge numbers of innocents who were killed?

4) Actually that's pretty sound justification in wartime. If more deaths have to happen, it is an extremely deficient Commander in Chief who orders them to be on your own side instead of the enemy's. I also point out that at the time there was pretty much no consideration on any side that civilians weren't legitimate targets. Every single major belligerent reckoned they were, and whilst we can argue with the morality of that after the fact, the US cannot and should not be held to some special standard for agreeing with an essentially universally held opinion.

1.They still decided to take down the Nazi´s first.

2.I only stated what I learned in school( yep we were tought that they have known or are very very dumb)

3.Racism.

The british fought the yellow-skins can´t sink the Prince of Wales.

Did you ever saw someone who complained about the Soviets germany killed(I very rarely do)

Or complained the british about the chinese who died

4.Did the japanese killed U.S Citizens no they didn´t, but still you´re right with your statement about commanders.

 

[Balesir]

This is not the place for extended discussions of history unrelated to the game, ethics or 20th century politics - please take it to the History subforums if you want to continue it.

 

[SwollenGoat]

It's just a matter of how you set the AI files. If you don't know how, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Ive done the work and reset the values.............turning 'build reactor' to 'on',changing the percent of the budget that will be spent on non units,prioritized the techs and removed them from any ignore list............all that stuff...............

And yet Ive NEVER seen the AI start a reactor on its own.

Maybe you might explain what Ive been missing?

 

[Luxor]

Ive done the work and reset the values.............turning 'build reactor' to 'on',changing the percent of the budget that will be spent on non units,prioritized the techs and removed them from any ignore list............all that stuff...............

And yet Ive NEVER seen the AI start a reactor on its own.

Maybe you might explain what Ive been missing?

construction = {
max_factor = 0.8

nuclear_reactor = yes
nuclear_reactor_prov = 620 # Chicago
max_nuclear = 10

and by 1945 my USA AI nukes Japan/Germany regularly. Of course you must teach AI which techs to research.