AI is way too wimpy when faced with an invasion.

[Dogia]

In my current game i just launched an invasion of my long time allies after they had embraced the Ibadi heresy. They were a substantial power, controlling all of Mali and about 1/3 of Spain.

Before I had noticed that the Almoravids of Mauritania had fallen into heresy i had been fighting a long drawn out battle against an independence rebel faction. It lasted about 8 years, and they only agreed to surrender after i had occupied about 90 percent of their holdings. So when i looked to invade Mauritania i mobilized everyone in my Sultanate. I expected to be at war for decades.

As you can see they were quite powerful. My invasion began, after i had occupied about 2 counties, i was already at 67 percent war score.

I fought one major battle with them and won. And continued on too occupy two or three more counties. Giving me 100 percent.

So i won all of Mauritania. And since that was their only king title this was the aftermath when i usurped it.

So it really was a do or die situation for them. But taking them down was Easier and quicker than dealing with a few rebels in my realm.

Anyone else think that the ai is too quick to surrender?

 

[Casiru]

Your fielding 30000+ troops in 1185, a unified AI Hispania only fields ~20000 troops. You might have got too much war score from occupation but they had no chance of fighting back, your holdings are just that much better.

Things like how many holdings are not recently conquered and whether the vassals like you and how high your crown law/feudal levies and if you have mercs and retinues, if your doing all these you can guarantee the AI isn't so instead of a 25k vs 30k you end up roflstomping them.

If anything the CB is too strong, taking an entire kingdom in a single CB is a little extreme, should be reserved for crusades and such imo.

 

[Dracko81]

Yes there is definately something wrong with the way invasion occupation percentage is handled.

I have captured 15 holdings and I have won the war. Not sure how the percentages are calculated, but it probably has something to do with demesne size, instead of realm size.

But with an invasion, you take all lands captured in the war and the minor titles under them. So if you had to conquer 75% of a kingdom to capture it, there would be less vassals from the previous ruler.

So it could be completely WAD and could also be an oversight in the mechanics with occupation in invasion situations.

 

[grumphie]

i personaly suspect it either a bug or it not WAD. it makes the mongols ridiculus because they take realms before you can react, make wars against large empires easy peasy and i really dont remember seeing that much warscore for a holding on large realms before.

 

[nyah]

If anything the CB is too strong, taking an entire kingdom in a single CB is a little extreme, should be reserved for crusades and such imo.

Should the earliest start date be pushed back so the game doesn't have to deal with the Norman invasion of England?

Given that all the new vassals will hate you isn't there a strong chance they will form an independence faction (or a faction to put the old king or another claimant on the throne), is it really as easy to conquer and hold a kingdom as capturing a few holdings?

 

[LarryLeica]

A better solution for calculating war-score may be to base it on the enemy's ability to fight and raise levies. So you calculate score based on having occupied, say 80%, of all the realms levy raising slots. So once the realm is unable to access more than 20% of it's levy raising holdings then it's game over for them. This would encourage you to go for the high value provinces rather than just start at one end and work your way up as happens now.

I also think that for independence wars the independence faction should need to occupy at least one of your provinces preferably the capital to force a surrender on their terms, as it is they acquire war-score far too quickly to the extent they can be very close to 100% before you've had one battle.

 

[Dogia]

A better solution for calculating war-score may be to base it on the enemy's ability to fight and raise levies. So you calculate score based on having occupied, say 80%, of all the realms levy raising slots. So once the realm is unable to access more than 20% of it's levy raising holdings then it's game over for them. This would encourage you to go for the high value provinces rather than just start at one end and work your way up as happens now.

I also think that for independence wars the independence faction should need to occupy at least one of your provinces preferably the capital to force a surrender on their terms, as it is they acquire war-score far too quickly to the extent they can be very close to 100% before you've had one battle.

Exactly this. They never had the chance to bring their armies from Mali and Northern Spain. They should have had the chance to wait out my initial attack and hope for something to go wrong. my sultan could have died, throwing me into civil war, a crusade could have been called against Jerusalem. Or any other number of things that could have saved them if they had continued the fight.

 

[Jephery]

Should the earliest start date be pushed back so the game doesn't have to deal with the Norman invasion of England?

Given that all the new vassals will hate you isn't there a strong chance they will form an independence faction (or a faction to put the old king or another claimant on the throne), is it really as easy to conquer and hold a kingdom as capturing a few holdings?

Actually, winning an invasion gives you something like +50 relations with all the subjugated vassels, and if they're not of your religion you can revoke without penalty.

Also, you don't get the "Conquered" penalties for revoking titles of people you've subjugated during the invasion, so after a Muslim invasion, you can revoke all the Christian holdings and have full use of them.

 

[Loderingo]

Agree that the kingdom invasion is too easy at the moment. Previously as a Muslim I conquered France by taking about 6 counties in the south.

Suggest making it a requirement to take the capital (whatever it was at the start of the war) and at least 50% of provinces
Also suggest having the peasant resistance event occur - after all if it does for independence wars from the HRE you would think it would for a foreign invasion.