AI is a lying liar

[Subbak]

I'm Burgundy, rivaled to France (with a bunch of claim on them) and allied to Austria. I also have claims on Savoy.

Austria pulls me into a war with Ottomans, who are allied to France. I accept, but they only make France release Guyenne (even though I have something like 40-50% war contribution and occupy all of France).
Then they pull me into a war with Savoy (also allied with France) and promise me territory. I don't occupy my Savoyard claims, but I occupy nearly all of France (including my numerous claims) and get similarly about a half of war contribution.
AND THEY DON'T GIVE ME ANYTHING.
They take some Savoyard land for themselves, give some to their ally Florence, and make France give back papal and Provencal cores.
And to top it off, my opinion of Austria is still very high (whereas I should be mad), so if decided to turn against them (yes, I know I need to wait 5 years) I'd probably get a stab hit for high relations.

 

[witchveil]

Yeah. Annoys me quite a bit. I had an ally call me into war once; promising me land. The only piece of land that I had a claim on and that I could core was the province they were going to war for! So what land do they think they could give me?

Suffice to say the call to arms was rejected and I later conquored my former-allies land just because.

 

[Gratak]

Don't complain to loud. Otherwise, next thing they do is add a negative 200 relation modifier that forces you to break the alliance with those lying AI allies.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The AI will release nations where you have claims after promising you territory.

I had that happen as Rewa Kantha yesterday, Andhra called me in on a war vs Malwa and Bengal promising territory. Since I had a 5 man coalition + alliance with Vijay and Malwa was one of the members I accepted, knowing this would truce-lock one of the coalition members and probably disband it. I occupied all but 2 provinces of Malwa (they had ~8 left) and Andhra takes their clay...and releases Gwalior and Bundelkhand.

I had claims on all 3 of those provinces. That move should probably be considered a bug, it actually costs the AI more DIP to release the nations and break its promise than just keeping it. As I'm not the one negotiating the deal, in this case it was also trivial to immediately turn around and declare on those nations because it didn't give me a truce with them, so it isn't even a plausible way to undermine one's ally very much.

 

[Subbak]

Don't complain to loud. Otherwise, next thing they do is add a negative 200 relation modifier that forces you to break the alliance with those lying AI allies.

As long as the AI would also consider this and not try to break an alliance it considers useful, I would be fine.

 

[zorkman]

AI acting ruthlessly just like the human player. Whatever next.

 

[Subbak]

AI acting ruthlessly just like the human player. Whatever next.

Since we had (at the time) two common rivals and I'm reasonably strong, it would be pretty stupid for the AI to tank the alliance. Is there any way for me to take the back up save from before the peace deal, make my country AI, and see what sort of peace deal Austria makes then? Knowing that at this point Austria already owed me 20 favors or so from the war with Otto.

 

[Vivi_]

The AI don't give territories you have not pinned as provinces of interest.

 

[Subbak]

The AI don't give territories you have not pinned as provinces of interest.

I had claims in Savoy, which are automatic PoI (yellow). I also had like half of France in red PoI, most of which was claimed, and Austria did not separate peace France (even though there was 100% WS, I don't know why).

 

[Vivi_]

Maybe giving you territories would have make you the target of a coalition.

 

[Sunspawn]

Maybe giving you territories would have make you the target of a coalition.

Pretty sure AI only cares about it's own AE and does not give a flap about allies' AE.

 

[Cathal341]

Ok so presumably in war 1 vs the Ottomans you where called in on favors(since Austria Dow'd Ottomans not a nation you border/have interests in conquering) So Austria is not obliged to give you anything and France being a secondary participant makes this even more unlikely. In war 22 vs Savoy your called in with a promise of land, but you said you didn't occupy Savoy's land and since France was a secondary participant again the AI just did some minor stuff to them since it would be twice as expensive to take land from them since they weren't a co-belligerent. It was a war vs Savoy so the AI was promising you Savoy land not French. It's similar to the way an AI won't join a war vs a nation even when that nation is Allied to one of there rivals/a nation they want land from even when the war has begun since that person is not the target of the war. It's a silly an confusing system but it's the way the AI works in my experience.

 

[Xara]

The AI don't give territories you have not pinned as provinces of interest.

Explain this behavior for people that don't have Cossacks, then.

 

[Subbak]

Ok so presumably in war 1 vs the Ottomans you where called in on favors(since Austria Dow'd Ottomans not a nation you border/have interests in conquering) So Austria is not obliged to give you anything and France being a secondary participant makes this even more unlikely. In war 22 vs Savoy your called in with a promise of land, but you said you didn't occupy Savoy's land and since France was a secondary participant again the AI just did some minor stuff to them since it would be twice as expensive to take land from them since they weren't a co-belligerent. It was a war vs Savoy so the AI was promising you Savoy land not French. It's similar to the way an AI won't join a war vs a nation even when that nation is Allied to one of there rivals/a nation they want land from even when the war has begun since that person is not the target of the war. It's a silly an confusing system but it's the way the AI works in my experience.

Well, I checked and I had a claim on Savoy, where Austria had no interest (because it prefered the German-cultured provinces). So it could have transfer occupation to me. When I declare war promising land, even if my allies don't themselves occupy their claims, they expect me to transfer occupation and give them something. Why couldn't the AI do the same?
Also Austria made France give cores back to Papal States and Provence. Papal States was one of their allies. So even there you're argument doesn't really hold, they could have given me one of my claims.
And no, the AE was well under control. I had been pretty tame because stupid France allied Otto AND Aragon, and I couldn't call Austria-Hungary in against them (not enough favors, wanted no land) before they called me against Otto. Then Austria made them release Guyenne in the Otto war (but not break alliance), but there was a truce, so I mostly sat on my ass.

 

[Sunspawn]

Explain this behavior for people that don't have Cossacks, then.

The devs messed up AI, matching it to the Cossacks system? Sounds to me like they ignored/forgot about the folks without the DLC.

 

[ywxiao]

Even with Cossacks the AI is messed up.

I supported the Swedes and in 1503 they declared independence from Danes. Like a good ally I sent a legion that rode all the across the plains of PLC to come to their aid and smashed all of Danish continental holdings and their German allies.

The Swedes get DoWed by Mus, so I sent 3 more legions to the far west all the while subsidizing them for 12 ducats a month. They took 5 Provinces from Den/Nor, and then 2 from Muscowy, which was fine by me.

15 years later they DoW Russia + Kebabs and promise me land, both of which I have claims on and have rivalled/eclipsed 4 times. They take 5 provinces and gives me nothing despite 100 trust and 40 favours. Now that's a scumbag move, and they have basically signed their death warranty.

It was far more efficient for me to just TW every 5 years on Russia and Kebabs so byebye 100 trust and 100 favour alliance.

 

[drake546]

My allies Saxony and Brunswick have been doing this my whole current game. It ticks me off to no end. They peace out of wars we're stomping on the enemy, where i've done the heavy lifting, and don't give me squat, despite my claims. Brunswick is on my shit list now because I spent 300 gold getting warscore against bohemia just so they could peace out at 80% with Arnhalt. Just arnhalt.

,,!,, brunswick. you're going down.

 

[QuestingMod]

They promised you Savoy's land. You didn't occupy any of Savoy's land. They didn't give you any of Savoy's land. It could be made more clear (maybe a prompt that says which country they're promising you land from), but that's just how it works. They only give you land from the main adversary, and only if you've actually occupied land that you have designated as provinces of interest.

 

[drake546]

They promised you Savoy's land. You didn't occupy any of Savoy's land. They didn't give you any of Savoy's land. It could be made more clear (maybe a prompt that says which country they're promising you land from), but that's just how it works. They only give you land from the main adversary, and only if you've actually occupied land that you have designated as provinces of interest.

wait what? why can they only give you land from the main adversary? There's nothing to stop me from giving them land from secondary enemies. That's moronic if true.

 

[Subbak]

They promised you Savoy's land. You didn't occupy any of Savoy's land. They didn't give you any of Savoy's land. It could be made more clear (maybe a prompt that says which country they're promising you land from), but that's just how it works. They only give you land from the main adversary, and only if you've actually occupied land that you have designated as provinces of interest.

Why can't they transfer land? If I'm the war leader, they transfer to me anything they haven't claimed (and in this case, they hadn't Savoie and I had).
And if I promise lands to my allies but occupy everything, they still expect me to transfer occupation to them.

Also, as I said, they did give French land to another ally (Papal States), although in that case it was a core return (they also returned Dauphiné to Provence who was not an Austrian ally).