I also agree that my post was very nice
edit: stupid editing! Goodbye self-esteem.
Haha, sorry dude. I was a tad late
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Haha, sorry dude. I was a tad late
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While AI improvements were not really a priority for HttT, I did sneak some in. The diplomatic AI should be noticeably better and more opportunistic, and the invasion AI should also be better (especially at focusing on one beachhead.)
You call that opportunistic? They are bloodhounds!!
It's like playing MP - one guy goes down and then get's DOWed from everywhere. In 1438, the Ottomans were DOWed by ENG, FRA, ARA, CAS and several minors, once they were at 15 WE, the Timurids, Mameluks and Quar-whatever joined in. In the end the Ottomans had to release Naxos, Achea, The Knights, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Croatia and 5 muslim Minors - Candar was released as a 5-province state...
As for me, I played NAP and had some sort of rebel problem, when suddenly FRA, ENG, ARA and MIL decided it would be a good idea to "help me out". The first time I ceased provinces even before the war reached my country!
But, I have to say, I like the new system, it feels much more "historic" and blobbing is much harder. As it is now, I have almost equal power setups with CAS <-> ARA, FRA <-> BUR, AUS <-> HUN <-> BOH, while ENG collapsed and freed IRE (!) and SCO...
Edit: LOLZ! The big blue blob got excommunicated by SWE and ends up in a war against ENG, BUR and 5 german minors... Ouch!
Before:
http://img710.imageshack.us/i/eu36.png/
After:
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/eu39.png/
...maybe "opportunistic" is indeed the right word...
It's like playing MP - one guy goes down and then get's DOWed from everywhere. In 1438, the Ottomans were DOWed by ENG, FRA, ARA, CAS and several minors, once they were at 15 WE, the Timurids, Mameluks and Quar-whatever joined in. In the end the Ottomans had to release Naxos, Achea, The Knights, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Croatia and 5 muslim Minors - Candar was released as a 5-province state...
As for me, I played NAP and had some sort of rebel problem, when suddenly FRA, ENG, ARA and MIL decided it would be a good idea to "help me out". The first time I ceased provinces even before the war reached my country!
But, I have to say, I like the new system, it feels much more "historic" and blobbing is much harder. As it is now, I have almost equal power setups with CAS <-> ARA, FRA <-> BUR, AUS <-> HUN <-> BOH, while ENG collapsed and freed IRE (!) and SCO...
Edit: LOLZ! The big blue blob got excommunicated by SWE and ends up in a war against ENG, BUR and 5 german minors... Ouch!
Before:
http://img710.imageshack.us/i/eu36.png/
After:
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/eu39.png/
...maybe "opportunistic" is indeed the right word...
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After all these years of bullying from the BBB, it's a players dream come true, huh?
Now the next thing in the game to happen is the Naples blob to be attacked by a big alliance.
This is the strangest EU3 game I ever played. Burgundy is very aggressive from the start, first taking Hainaut, Brabant, Liege, Barrois, Lorraine and Holland. I managed to stay safe in Frisia, luckily. Burgundy gets stronger than France, but then Flemish and Dutch patriots all over the way.
Other things I've never seen before: Austria, Denmark and Ottoman Empire collapsing. That brown country (neighbour of Dulkadir) occupying remaining territory of Ottomans for over 10 years. Portugal and Spain occupying entire Morocco within ten years, England getting foot in Spain, Bohemia besieging 50% of France, etc.
Other things I've never seen before: Austria, Denmark and Ottoman Empire collapsing. That brown country (neighbour of Dulkadir) occupying remaining territory of Ottomans for over 10 years. Portugal and Spain occupying entire Morocco within ten years, England getting foot in Spain, Bohemia besieging 50% of France, etc.
Infamy does work pretty well.
From the get-go hungary was HRE. It soon followed with a second term and had knocked the turks off of Europe and taken most of the Balkans + Transylvania and several provinces from Lithuania via a constant tag-teaming on that country with Poland : Hungary was a purple blob after two terms of HRE.
When they finally lost the emperor's seat to Bohemia, their infamy was up the wazoo. It took 15 years, but the constant warring against neighbours engendered a war exhaustion that more than halved the purple giant : Albania, Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia (which is lime-green!) all revolted, cutting it off from a sea access. Then, the Ukranians who had revolted previously from Lithuania grabbed a few provinces as well as Venice did in Greece.
Hungary is now only a shadow of its former self with 5-6 provinces.
From the get-go hungary was HRE. It soon followed with a second term and had knocked the turks off of Europe and taken most of the Balkans + Transylvania and several provinces from Lithuania via a constant tag-teaming on that country with Poland : Hungary was a purple blob after two terms of HRE.
When they finally lost the emperor's seat to Bohemia, their infamy was up the wazoo. It took 15 years, but the constant warring against neighbours engendered a war exhaustion that more than halved the purple giant : Albania, Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia (which is lime-green!) all revolted, cutting it off from a sea access. Then, the Ukranians who had revolted previously from Lithuania grabbed a few provinces as well as Venice did in Greece.
Hungary is now only a shadow of its former self with 5-6 provinces.
I also recon that the AI is smarter about peace offering. It didn't wait long to recognize its situation was desperate and made some substancial offers to its attackers to offset the worst.
When France and its allies (Brabant, French minors and Trier) attaked Burgundy, I used my Ally CB and grabbed Antwerpen and Vlaanderen from them with Brabant's help. Burgundy's armies were just overpowered and its infamy was doing the rest. So they offered to release Nevers in a peace deal to Brabant very soon and they accepted. Then when they lost their second army south to French waves of soldies, they offered me Vlaanderen and Antwerp and I accepted and they also gave Luxembourg to Trier. Then they concentrated their effort on France with the freed provinces and managed to only give up Picardie and a monetary to France at the end of the war.
Bear in mind that this was a war they really couldnt win with their infamy doing the trick and a Grand French alliance. Meanwhile, England who had taken Perigord from France at the start of the game is in a peasant's war and cluttered by revolts in Ireland and in Guyenne. They never could muster an attack on France who in 50 years is slowly and wisely gaining land (Auvergne, Armagnac and Foix and one province from Burgundy) avoiding the dangerous infamy. And with revolting Guyenne I wouldn't be surprised if France wouldn't follow its historical course now.
When France and its allies (Brabant, French minors and Trier) attaked Burgundy, I used my Ally CB and grabbed Antwerpen and Vlaanderen from them with Brabant's help. Burgundy's armies were just overpowered and its infamy was doing the rest. So they offered to release Nevers in a peace deal to Brabant very soon and they accepted. Then when they lost their second army south to French waves of soldies, they offered me Vlaanderen and Antwerp and I accepted and they also gave Luxembourg to Trier. Then they concentrated their effort on France with the freed provinces and managed to only give up Picardie and a monetary to France at the end of the war.
Bear in mind that this was a war they really couldnt win with their infamy doing the trick and a Grand French alliance. Meanwhile, England who had taken Perigord from France at the start of the game is in a peasant's war and cluttered by revolts in Ireland and in Guyenne. They never could muster an attack on France who in 50 years is slowly and wisely gaining land (Auvergne, Armagnac and Foix and one province from Burgundy) avoiding the dangerous infamy. And with revolting Guyenne I wouldn't be surprised if France wouldn't follow its historical course now.
I noticed you will get infamy much faster if you don't spend attention to your CB - 3 BB for a province, 4 BB for vasallisation and 6 BB for annexing is quite harsh. On the other hand, it is an effective anti-blob tool.
It really doesn't feel like rushing for every avaible enemy province anymore, you have to rely on your sphaere of influence and allies instead.
The AI has some problems to cope with the new BB ratios, I saw some countries becomind "scum", but all in all it feels much, much better than IN - like playing a new game I would say...
It really doesn't feel like rushing for every avaible enemy province anymore, you have to rely on your sphaere of influence and allies instead.
The AI has some problems to cope with the new BB ratios, I saw some countries becomind "scum", but all in all it feels much, much better than IN - like playing a new game I would say...
As Castille...
I warned Aragon at the beginning of the game, made alliances with Portugal and Navarre, started building some cavalry and infantry, and then started the game; I was expecting Aragon to declare war on Sicily (or some other move) so that I could use the warning to good advantage: I like to take a few Aragonese provinces on my way to getting the Empire government, and getting cores for eventually forming Spain.
So far so good, but Aragon doesn't declare war immediately, about three months, I think, so I am deciding it's a no go: Aragon is heeding my warning. I decide to move all my troops to provinces bordering Granada, and go after Almeria and Gibraltar (I am considering that moving my armed forces off the border provinces of Aragon might loosen him up a bit).
So, now my troops are stationed off Granada. Just as I am about to declare war, oops! Aragon goes after me! Hmm. Portugal, that faithless gal, drops me like a hot rock and walks off hand in hand with Aragon, so now I have a two-front war! Navarre sticks with me. Thanks, friend. I knew I could count on your 1K army. Oh well, every little bit helps.
Off to Aragon with my army, and can you guess what happens next? As I am getting into the fight with Aragon, Granada declares war! Jeez, did I up the AI agressiveness without knowing it? Blast! The next wave of troops I make now have to go south to Granada rather than west.
I manage to successfully besiege Braganaca and Lisboa in Portugal, and ask for Brag province in a peace negotiation: Portugal gives it up. Whew! Peace to the west. Now I can relax a little.
Did I mention relax? The deuce you say!! Not two months later I get more great news: England jumps into the fracas! Seriously, dude, what did I do to you? :wacko:
Another three front war, now to the north. I am critically short of troops thanks to the new more-lethal combat effects. Invasions occur on the north coast, and England takes Navarre as well. A large 14K stack of Aragonese troops invades. It looks like I am in bad trouble. I manage to bribe Brittany into Peace (who was allied with England and also invaded a north coast province, so that took me down to only about five enemies (thankfully, Morocco and Algiers didn't invade).
Then, the Byzantines attack the Knights! The Knights are in my sphere. I could decline, but I think, why not, and support them? The Byzantines will be busy in the east, and probably won't attack me. I declare war.
But, I am seriously outgunned in the west. I buy off Aragon, dang it: I wanted Aragon province! Eventually, the Byzantines run into problems and I am able to squeeze a few ducats from their fists. I manage to successfully gain Almeria and Gibraltar and force Granada to give it up. This leaves England alone. I breathe a sigh of relief. If this is a foretaste of the game now, I won't have time to play around with diplomacy. I'll always be fighting!
Wow. I've gone longer than I expected. Well, I managed to turn the tide in England, retake my lands and the southern provinces in France that were English-owned. Interestingly, while I was offered those several provinces by England herself, when I went into peace negotiations, she wouldn't accept the deal by me with only two of the occupied provinces chosen. I'll have to test that.
Anyway, that's my experience so far with the AI. On Normal/Normal! Thanks Paradox!
I warned Aragon at the beginning of the game, made alliances with Portugal and Navarre, started building some cavalry and infantry, and then started the game; I was expecting Aragon to declare war on Sicily (or some other move) so that I could use the warning to good advantage: I like to take a few Aragonese provinces on my way to getting the Empire government, and getting cores for eventually forming Spain.
So far so good, but Aragon doesn't declare war immediately, about three months, I think, so I am deciding it's a no go: Aragon is heeding my warning. I decide to move all my troops to provinces bordering Granada, and go after Almeria and Gibraltar (I am considering that moving my armed forces off the border provinces of Aragon might loosen him up a bit).
So, now my troops are stationed off Granada. Just as I am about to declare war, oops! Aragon goes after me! Hmm. Portugal, that faithless gal, drops me like a hot rock and walks off hand in hand with Aragon, so now I have a two-front war! Navarre sticks with me. Thanks, friend. I knew I could count on your 1K army. Oh well, every little bit helps.
Off to Aragon with my army, and can you guess what happens next? As I am getting into the fight with Aragon, Granada declares war! Jeez, did I up the AI agressiveness without knowing it?
Blast! The next wave of troops I make now have to go south to Granada rather than west. I manage to successfully besiege Braganaca and Lisboa in Portugal, and ask for Brag province in a peace negotiation: Portugal gives it up. Whew! Peace to the west. Now I can relax a little.
Did I mention relax? The deuce you say!! Not two months later I get more great news: England jumps into the fracas! Seriously, dude, what did I do to you? :wacko:
Another three front war, now to the north. I am critically short of troops thanks to the new more-lethal combat effects. Invasions occur on the north coast, and England takes Navarre as well. A large 14K stack of Aragonese troops invades. It looks like I am in bad trouble. I manage to bribe Brittany into Peace (who was allied with England and also invaded a north coast province, so that took me down to only about five enemies (thankfully, Morocco and Algiers didn't invade).
Then, the Byzantines attack the Knights! The Knights are in my sphere. I could decline, but I think, why not, and support them? The Byzantines will be busy in the east, and probably won't attack me. I declare war.
But, I am seriously outgunned in the west. I buy off Aragon, dang it: I wanted Aragon province! Eventually, the Byzantines run into problems and I am able to squeeze a few ducats from their fists. I manage to successfully gain Almeria and Gibraltar and force Granada to give it up. This leaves England alone. I breathe a sigh of relief. If this is a foretaste of the game now, I won't have time to play around with diplomacy. I'll always be fighting!
Wow. I've gone longer than I expected. Well, I managed to turn the tide in England, retake my lands and the southern provinces in France that were English-owned. Interestingly, while I was offered those several provinces by England herself, when I went into peace negotiations, she wouldn't accept the deal by me with only two of the occupied provinces chosen. I'll have to test that.
Anyway, that's my experience so far with the AI. On Normal/Normal! Thanks Paradox!
I've been playing as Austria and have discovered that HTTT is the craziest, best EUIII incarnation I've played yet.
I was allied with the Papal State at the beginning of the game when they decided to DOW on Ferrara, which brought in Naples, Tuscany, Milan, Venice and the Bohemian Emperor. I, of course, honored my alliance and was forced to cover the Pope's flank while trying to protect my own territory. What really shocked me though, was it appeared that bohemia was following its war objective to protect a member state of the HRE. I was incredibly impressed. Albeit all of Northern Italy, Naples, and the Emperor were at war with the Papal States and me, the Pope managed his conquest of Ferrara.
I then realised that the best way to win the electorship was not through straight up bribes, but beating Bohemia's authority into the ground. Luckily, I had the conquer N. Italy mission and as soon as the Truce with Milan was up and she was involved in a war, I brought her to war and then her knees... Unfortunately, my aggressive expansion into Italy brought Savoy, Venice and Genoa into disagreement and a five year war with me (as Naples, Switzerland, Tuscany, and Achea all joined in the fun).
All-in-all, the AI has made for an exciting time that I haven't had since I played EU III for the first time three years ago now. Great job!
I was allied with the Papal State at the beginning of the game when they decided to DOW on Ferrara, which brought in Naples, Tuscany, Milan, Venice and the Bohemian Emperor. I, of course, honored my alliance and was forced to cover the Pope's flank while trying to protect my own territory. What really shocked me though, was it appeared that bohemia was following its war objective to protect a member state of the HRE. I was incredibly impressed. Albeit all of Northern Italy, Naples, and the Emperor were at war with the Papal States and me, the Pope managed his conquest of Ferrara.
I then realised that the best way to win the electorship was not through straight up bribes, but beating Bohemia's authority into the ground. Luckily, I had the conquer N. Italy mission and as soon as the Truce with Milan was up and she was involved in a war, I brought her to war and then her knees... Unfortunately, my aggressive expansion into Italy brought Savoy, Venice and Genoa into disagreement and a five year war with me (as Naples, Switzerland, Tuscany, and Achea all joined in the fun).
All-in-all, the AI has made for an exciting time that I haven't had since I played EU III for the first time three years ago now. Great job!
I just got my butt whooped as Venice. Milan somehow popped an army of 22,000 men by 1406. non mercs. And brittany was a powerhouse, they controlled a large part of greece...*shrug*
Ooops, guess i got a 25% discount CB when I looked them up...
Was it a defensive war?
The AI seems a lot more tough even on normal, which I usually play on for more of a relaxed game (unless I feel like a challenge, then it's a harder difficulty). Anyhow, my usual tactics playing as Byzantium don't work as well, since a lot of my alliance members do not enter the war with me after I DOW the Ottomans, so I'm usually crushed like a bug.
I really do like the new system, especially the AI. It's a lot more challenging.
I really do like the new system, especially the AI. It's a lot more challenging.
The AI will take advantage of its CBs. It declared Excommunication war on me even though all Burgundy wanted was to break Holland's newfound spirit.
the england AI is incredibly stubborn , offering just what it takes to avoid the stab hit , until gitting ~60% WS , at this point it started offering all the occupied territory to make peace