AI england failure is the result of their HYW greed

[Davetheterror]

Have you ever played a game as france where you saw england create gb or become strong enough so they can at least try to stop you?

I never did once.....

and its easy to know why, in a single player game with a human france england start at disavantage, that can quickly drain their menpower and put them with high war exhaustion completly cripping them for a long time, combine this with the lollard revolt and war of the roses and its game over for early AI england, all this because of their greed and the high war score needed by france to take back their land...


I was always advocating for a small nerf to france and a small buff to england and they did it but not the correct way they just gave england more income a slighty higher forcelimit but didnt looked at was making england that bad early on, namely events and AI greed, in the first 20-30 years you have the hyw wich france needs to increase england war exhaustion by a lot to take back only 4 region of the 5 england posses on the mainland, then sometimes in the middle of it you have lollard revolts wich sometimes spawn a rebel stack that cripples AI england(they just dont know how to handle it) and sometimes you even get war of the roses at same time and they dont know how to handle this either....


combine the three and you have the reason why england never succeed, it doesnt take einstein to realize it....


edit: also add the fact that england will never use adm to increase stability nor use diplo points to reduce war exhaustion because they have worst starting king in game and even if they do that just increase the hyw lenght and cripples them more in the longrun....

 

[yerm]

Not sure what you're getting at. I don't think I've ever seen Great Britain NOT get formed by 1707 unless I personally fight against the island. Since 1.8 I see them do much better, and I have to assume it's because Scotland never loses war leader despite France's protection - once England is knocked off the mainland (usually losing 4 to HYW and Picard not long after) they basically can't lose on the British Isles and conquer Scotland and Ireland within a hundred years. You have to deliberately intervene to stop it from happening; English domination of Britain seems even more guaranteed than French domination of Western Europe, which we all expect.

England fails to succeed at making themselves the premier overseas powerhouse, but they are now consistent in succeeding and outperforming historically on the home front.

 

[Zqrfmb]

HYW should maybe start with france having its rolling warscore and the length of war modifier a bit lower so england is less willing to overextend itself in a war it would never win as the AI.

 

[Davetheterror]

Not sure what you're getting at. I don't think I've ever seen Great Britain NOT get formed by 1707 unless I personally fight against the island. Since 1.8 I see them do much better, and I have to assume it's because Scotland never loses war leader despite France's protection - once England is knocked off the mainland (usually losing 4 to HYW and Picard not long after) they basically can't lose on the British Isles and conquer Scotland and Ireland within a hundred years. You have to deliberately intervene to stop it from happening; English domination of Britain seems even more guaranteed than French domination of Western Europe, which we all expect.

England fails to succeed at making themselves the premier overseas powerhouse, but they are now consistent in succeeding and outperforming historically on the home front.

well Ive played 4 consecutive game as france and everytime half of england was sieged by lollard rebels and the other half by the opposite pretender in the war of the roses, then came scotland, I`d say this scenario is possible in 90% of the game you play as france

 

[Davetheterror]

HYW should maybe start with france having its rolling warscore and the length of war modifier a bit lower so england is less willing to overextend itself in a war it would never win as the AI.

this is basically my main point, war exhaustion is the main killer of an ai england vs human france, then come the chances to have 2 crippling events and they just dont know how to handle those events

 

[Docteur]

Well, ENGLAND failure in the 15th and 16th century is the result of their HYW greed. It's quite historical.

 

[yerm]

well Ive played 4 consecutive game as france and everytime half of england was sieged by lollard rebels and the other half by the opposite pretender in the war of the roses, then came scotland, I`d say this scenario is possible in 90% of the game you play as france

You're playing France. Of course you're going to make England lose. You are deliberately and personally intervening in their affairs and causing this to come true. This is doable as any neighbor to any great power; you can make France lose by playing an OPM.

Try playing one where you do NOT support Scotland invading. Tell me that even with losing some of northumbria, the lollard rampage, wotr, and maybe stolen trade income, they STILL Don't come back and own the island by 1600? I'll put money on this - if you do not go declare war on England after they're off the mainland, do not land ANY troops in british isles (eg if they attack Scotland), and do not game their neighbors by doing things like handing Scotland Norwegian land or other nonsense - England will form great Britain before the historical date of its creation. All I'm asking you to do is not go nuts on them in a way only a human gaming eu4 can do, and see if they don't succeed.

 

[Suzaku]

Huh in my attempts in having a good start in Byzantium I seen England win or winning HYW 14/15 times 8 of which forced the PU.

 

[birincikalite]

What they did historically is not easy to represent in game, so I assume that's why we don't get to see the Victorian Empire

 

[Davetheterror]

Huh in my attempts in having a good start in Byzantium I seen England win or winning HYW 14/15 times 8 of which forced the PU.

:blink: never seen that before, nor do I want it

 

[Marcus Septim]

Huh in my attempts in having a good start in Byzantium I seen England win or winning HYW 14/15 times 8 of which forced the PU.

no WAY :O

 

[Pugman]

Huh in my attempts in having a good start in Byzantium I seen England win or winning HYW 14/15 times 8 of which forced the PU.

You must have a mod or something. I have never seen that happen and I have more hours into this game than I will admit.

 

[Thrake]

Have you ever played a game as france where you saw england create gb or become strong enough so they can at least try to stop you?

I never did once.....

and its easy to know why, in a single player game with a human france england start at disavantage, that can quickly drain their menpower and put them with high war exhaustion completly cripping them for a long time, combine this with the lollard revolt and war of the roses and its game over for early AI england, all this because of their greed and the high war score needed by france to take back their land...


I was always advocating for a small nerf to france and a small buff to england and they did it but not the correct way they just gave england more income a slighty higher forcelimit but didnt looked at was making england that bad early on, namely events and AI greed, in the first 20-30 years you have the hyw wich france needs to increase england war exhaustion by a lot to take back only 4 region of the 5 england posses on the mainland, then sometimes in the middle of it you have lollard revolts wich sometimes spawn a rebel stack that cripples AI england(they just dont know how to handle it) and sometimes you even get war of the roses at same time and they dont know how to handle this either....


combine the three and you have the reason why england never succeed, it doesnt take einstein to realize it....


edit: also add the fact that england will never use adm to increase stability nor use diplo points to reduce war exhaustion because they have worst starting king in game and even if they do that just increase the hyw lenght and cripples them more in the longrun....

England fails because it just doesn't expand while France blobs. It can only realistically blob in France (not strong enough), or in the HRE (not strong enough again; that's not France!). Anything else is out of fabricating range, and AI doesn't seem to know to use anything else (no trade war, and ofc no "no CB"; overall no no claimed province as well so even getting a CB wouldn't do much). Otherwise, it's overseas expansion, but it usually comes in too late and that alone doesn't turn you into some sort of blobbo France.

 

[Krajzen]

Have you ever played a game as france where you saw england create gb or become strong enough so they can at least try to stop you?

You mean of course:

Have you ever played a game as france where rest of the world was strong enough so they can at least try to stop you?

I have seen powerful Great Britain twice - one time I was allied with it as Commonwealth, it had extremely powerful navy/trade/colonies - this was pre AOW

in my Ottoman game there is 1809, I have second biggest income in the world - 450 - and GB has first: 700. 500 income from trade alone. British fleet - 529 ships!!!

 

[Suzaku]

You must have a mod or something. I have never seen that happen and I have more hours into this game than I will admit.

Ironman with all dlc aside for the musics skinpacks and the merchant dlc thing.

 

[atwix]

You must have a mod or something. I have never seen that happen and I have more hours into this game than I will admit.

not really. Burgundy sometimes attacks France during HYW war now, and england and Burgundy can fight at same side on a battle then. Seen it happen, in 1.8.

England kept all provinces, and took a corridor maine/anjou/poitou to connect their French holdings.. That was..weird. Should have taken screenshot.