AI empire ignoring closed borders (no truce etc.)

[Parmenedes]

We don't have a truce, I wasn't part of a federation with them or anything like that, yet they are completely ignoring my closed borders. I'm thinking this is a glitch but figured I'd check here before posting to the bug report forums. Here are a couple of screenshots.

The name of the empire in question is the Maggar Comglomerate. They're using their construction ship to go through my space and take some nearby uncontrolled systems despite my borders being closed to them.

Here are two screenshots of the contacts window - one with info on my empire and one for theirs. My empire is called Twilight Imperium (after the board game). They show up as having an ideology casus belli and of course as having my borders closed to them under my tab, and under theirs there also isn't anything listed that I would think would be relevant:

Am I missing something here? Is this a glitch?

 

[Dragatus]

This goes to show that no matter how hard you try, you can't reliably keep out the cockroaches.

On a more serious note is there any chance they could've guaranteed your independence? I heard that doing that and then breaking the guarantee creates a one-sided truce that allows you to enter another empire's space.

 

[Zagreb 887]

It's a years old bug with vassals from FE, they ignore close borders no matter what.

 

[BlackholePD]

Hmm, I think I had this in my own game. Not sure any FEs were involved though. Might have to take a closer look.

 

[The Bored Chairman]

It's a years old bug with vassals from FE, they ignore close borders no matter what.

The empire in question isn't vassalized though.

All the FEs are dormant, they can't have vassals yet.

 

[prismaticmarcus]

The empire in question isn't vassalized though.

All the FEs are dormant, they can't have vassals yet.

they can if someone has a scion origin

 

[Parmenedes]

they can if someone has a scion origin

Even so, as chairman said, the empire who is doing it isn’t vassalized and never had been during this game. It sounds like it must be a bug regardless, though.

 

[prismaticmarcus]

file a bug report

 

[hart30]

Do not accept any guarantee independence offer from another empire if u do not want this to happen. It was changed from autoaccept to having to be manually accepted for this very reason. As soon the guarantee is broken due to slightly worse relations, what dragatus said happens.
The white peace flag only will show up on the ai side, so the borders are forced open in one direction.

In general closed borders never are a permanent solution. The ai will always find a way to enter. Be it through attacking u in a war, being ur ally in a war or simply breaking any defence, non-agression or independence guarantee. Sometimes they are scions or become tributaries of an empire u have open borders with. Sometimes they get voted into ur fed despite u voting against it.
So - do not let any systems up to 3 hyperlane jumps from the ai border be unclaimed. The ai wont try to steal territory further than 3 jumps away, so use the closed borders to get the remaining two systems, before the ai finds a way to cross ur borders anyway.

 

[Parmenedes]

Do not accept any guarantee independence offer from another empire if u do not want this to happen. It was changed from autoaccept to having to be manually accepted for this very reason. As soon the guarantee is broken due to slightly worse relations, what dragatus said happens.
The white peace flag only will show up on the ai side, so the borders are forced open in one direction.

In general closed borders never are a permanent solution. The ai will always find a way to enter. Be it through attacking u in a war, being ur ally in a war or simply breaking any defence, non-agression or independence guarantee. Sometimes they are scions or become tributaries of an empire u have open borders with. Sometimes they get voted into ur fed despite u voting against it.
So - do not let any systems up to 3 hyperlane jumps from the ai border be unclaimed. The ai wont try to steal territory further than 3 jumps away, so use the closed borders to get the remaining two systems, before the ai finds a way to cross ur borders anyway.

I'm 100% sure that I never guaranteed the independence of those guys (or anyone else in this game).

Edit: we also have never been at war during this game at all or had any other kind of pact/relationship, etc.

 

[Ikarrus]

If the senate declared a crisis then all empires have open borders with each other.

Does the galactic community have an active resolution about focusing on a crisis?

 

[Parmenedes]

If the senate declared a crisis then all empires have open borders with each other.

Does the galactic community have an active resolution about focusing on a crisis?

There are definitely not any resolutions having to do with crises. I don't think there are any crises happening at all atm. I saw notification of a couple of robot uprisings in other empires, but I don't think those count, and at any rate, there aren't any resolutions having to do with that. Since what you said is new info to me though, I'm curious: would empires still show up as having closed borders in such a case in the contacts window? I see my borders are closed (to basically everyone), and I see some other empires with closed borders as well (both FE's and non-FE's).

 

[Talanic]

I think they have closed borders to you but that doesn't mean you closed borders to them. Check the diplomacy screen and see if you can close borders?

 

[Parmenedes]

I think they have closed borders to you but that doesn't mean you closed borders to them. Check the diplomacy screen and see if you can close borders?

As per the screenshot I already posted, my borders were closed to them…

100% certain if this.