Watched in observer mode and find that AI dont know how to build defensive platforms. Its a big deal for make AI more challenging, so Ive tried to find some reference about building defensive platforms in modding wiki and game txt`s - have no luck (exept ION cannons mention). Its need to be fixed.
AI dont build defensive platforms
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I feel ashamed, but i'm with AI on this one. I don't know how to build them either (and especially what for). cuz they are too expensive(both in alloy cost and upkeep), non-mobile and non-rebuildable automatically, so i'll need to pay way more attention then I want.
i'd better get another full fleet cap fleet in that system.
i'd better get another full fleet cap fleet in that system.
Lol no, defensive platforms in 2.2 are pointless. They cost a ton to build and maintain, and AI has far more pressing problems than being unable to build something that should never be built, ever, in its current state.
If you made AI build platforms without rebalancing platforms in the first place, it'd be even weaker than it is now, because building a platform is like building an overpriced destroyer that cannot move or emergency retreat and is arguably weaker than a real one too.
If you made AI build platforms without rebalancing platforms in the first place, it'd be even weaker than it is now, because building a platform is like building an overpriced destroyer that cannot move or emergency retreat and is arguably weaker than a real one too.
Not really. Defensive platforms don't have the ability to dodge, and their health is way too low when compared to ships that cost similar like cruisers. In any fight they tend to evaporate in the first 5 seconds unless you're lucky and the AI targets your fleet first.
I think the only way to make them useful is to tie them to a defensive module. like build a hangar bay and receive N hangar platforms for free.
and even then it will not be optimal cuz you'll need to pay upkeep and waste a starbase slot
and even then it will not be optimal cuz you'll need to pay upkeep and waste a starbase slot
Nah, I think that maybe if they can get some point defense for missiles, and possibly if when they get destroyed, there's a chance the starbase can rebuild them when it repairs itself, they could be useful. Like make the chance of them being lost permanently only 10%. They'd suffer attrition, but would be guaranteed to be more cost effective.
That's the point of my suggestion, by making them have a high chance of being disabled, not destroyed, they become more cost effective. Either that or drop the price by a ton, I mean hyperdrives are expensive, and they don't have one.
static defences in stellaris are meant to supplement a fleet not replace one, you build bastions at choke points so if you are attacked you can park your fleet on top of it to get extra firepower.
They should bring back stations and fortresses, like some mods do. And make them pretty cheap too.
Really? I've found defensive platforms to be extremely useful. I always rush choke points with my borders, and the new AI is more or less incapable of breaking through an up to date starbase until late game. Three good star bases can keep my empire secure for most of the game, letting me focus on infrastructure and the economy, and I don't have to worry about expanding, replacing, or upgrading a fleet
Granted, I mostly play on default settings, and they are less useful if you're playing expansionist, but for some playstyles, I think they're pretty good
Granted, I mostly play on default settings, and they are less useful if you're playing expansionist, but for some playstyles, I think they're pretty good
Ah, my bad, I was thinking of starbase for some reason. Then I am fully on board, bar a crisis or fallen/awakened empire, defense platforms are unneeded to defend an empire.
They're useless currently if your starbase is not enough. They last a very short length of time and often don't deal much damage at all. The only thing they do is dissuade players from attacking when they see 9001 attack strength and the don't notice the 90 platforms around the starbase.
The only time I've seen them being at all maybe useful is when you're limited by production time and not resources, but that's rare and an issue of poor planning.
They really really do go down like a sack of bricks. The problem is that their components cost the same. Over a corvette you get a small amount of hp but zero evasion and medium mounts. Medium defensive mounts are a bit more efficient than their small counterparts...but medium weapon mounts are terrible against corvettes so it ends up being a pretty bad trade off.
They'd need a hefty decrease in cost in order to be built or some significant buff to their capabilities.
They really really do go down like a sack of bricks. The problem is that their components cost the same. Over a corvette you get a small amount of hp but zero evasion and medium mounts. Medium defensive mounts are a bit more efficient than their small counterparts...but medium weapon mounts are terrible against corvettes so it ends up being a pretty bad trade off.
They'd need a hefty decrease in cost in order to be built or some significant buff to their capabilities.
Should just make 'em ships that can't go down lanes unless a custom ship carries them (eg a transport ship for non drive ships can carry a ship up to one size class smaller than it.) Then make them cheaper to build but have a small fleet power number. That way you can put non-mobile (strategically) fleets in areas that need the them like defensive stations, but also do cool things like use them offensively if you're willing to build up a large number of transport ships.
Essentially they'd be fighters, but any class size. Building capability would be based on the station standard ship capability.
Essentially they'd be fighters, but any class size. Building capability would be based on the station standard ship capability.
I think Def Platforms are so circumstantial, it might indeed be better if the AI doesn't try to handle them.
I don't build a fleet so I can spend all my alloys on border defense because I'm a little turtle who is too lazy to design ships until 200 years in 
That would be nice. Consider it a standing fleet of FTL incapable ships for a starport.
In times of peace I like to spend extra metal on things that can give me an edge if I'm closing in on cap. A defensive fleet would be nice for that.I don't build a fleet so I can spend all my alloys on border defense because I'm a little turtle who is too lazy to design ships until 200 years in