I have no military access through either Bosnia or Serbia, and neither do the Ottomans. Posted a screenshot of their diplo screen, can upload one of mine too if it is pertinent.
AI bypassing Fort Zone of Control
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I have no military access through either Bosnia or Serbia, and neither do the Ottomans. Posted a screenshot of their diplo screen, can upload one of mine too if it is pertinent.
I don't think it's cheating such much as weirdness with ZoC
after all I was playing burgundy in a Multiplayer game, and England landed Troops in Zeeland then walked all the way down the coast (all controlled by my vassals, with a fort in Vlaanderan and in Antwerp, plus Brabant right next to them... and were NOT sieged by England)
where as when i played austria, and i lost a fort, i got STUCK between it and the tile from hense i came.... i couldn't move to my other fort right across from it or anywhere else.
after all I was playing burgundy in a Multiplayer game, and England landed Troops in Zeeland then walked all the way down the coast (all controlled by my vassals, with a fort in Vlaanderan and in Antwerp, plus Brabant right next to them... and were NOT sieged by England)
where as when i played austria, and i lost a fort, i got STUCK between it and the tile from hense i came.... i couldn't move to my other fort right across from it or anywhere else.
Yeah perhaps the mechanics are sometimes confusing, or just not clear to us dense players
.I didn't mean to stir the pot or imply anything when I used the word "cheat" in my OP. I was simply just wondering what was going on here
and have no bias or motive otherwise.Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a clear answer or response.
Yeah perhaps the mechanics are sometimes confusing, or just not clear to us dense players
I didn't mean to stir the pot or imply anything when I used the word "cheat" in my OP. I was simply just wondering what was going on here
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a clear answer or response.
The problem is that uploading screenshots alone does not always provide enough information and certainly doesn't allow Paradox to try and debug the game. If you see something like that again it is best to pause the game, copy the save file (even if Ironman) and post a link to the save on a file sharing website.
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I think part of the problem is also that no one (except Paradox) knows for sure what are the rules regarding ZOC. Most of the time it's intuitve, but when it's not it's often hard to explain why.
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I've encountered the same thing now in two consecutive games. This is a screen from my latest game as Inca, all forts have been in full maintenance from the start of the war. Notice the Portugese army just marching past my fort in Pisquapampa into Chimbote.
Is there something I'm missing here that allows the AI to do this?
Is there something I'm missing here that allows the AI to do this?
I've encountered the same thing now in two consecutive games. This is a screen from my latest game as Inca, all forts have been in full maintenance from the start of the war. Notice the Portugese army just marching past my fort in Pisquapampa into Chimbote.
Is there something I'm missing here that allows the AI to do this?
Screenshots alone are rarely enough to work these out. Your best bet is to copy the save file (even an Ironman save) when this happens and upload it to a file hosting website and then post a link here so that Paradox can look into it.
So what's happening here? Shouldn't the AI not be able to pass Memel?
You can always walk from one fort to another. To block enemy's movement there need to be gap between. And there are forts in Memel and Konigsberg. If you want to keep your army safe move it to Ortelsburg.
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You cannot move within ZOC of fort. But you can enter it and then leave it from the same province.
What I see on screenshot is entering from one non-ZOC province to Pisquapampa ZOC and leaving it to next non-ZOC province Chimbote.
To prevent invaders from walking on your coast Fort should be placed in Huaraz - 3 coastal provinces would be covered by ZOC preventing all movement between them. Now its only 1 province covered so its only walk-in, walk-out operation for the Enemy.
I also have some screens of AI ignoring ZoC. Only have one uploaded ATM tho:
Forts in Zemplen and Krakow. (And Moravia for that matter.)
Forts in Zemplen and Krakow. (And Moravia for that matter.)
Next simple explanation: ZOC is not extended into enemy territory. So they are entering out of ZOC (Nowy Sacz) into ZOC. And it happens to be your capital which is their obvious target.
Good thing they are trapped now, can only move out to Nowy Sacz or enter one of forts which is always possible.
Good thing they are trapped now, can only move out to Nowy Sacz or enter one of forts which is always possible.
Read the patch notes...
Forts project ZoC in enemy territory if the province isnt in a enemy ZoC(aka neighbor a fort, or have a fort itself).
They only dont flip control.
Forts project ZoC in enemy territory if the province isnt in a enemy ZoC(aka neighbor a fort, or have a fort itself).
They only dont flip control.
The AI doesn't cheat with ZoC? Of course not, the game doesn't actually have ZoC.
Forts cause some kind of strange, inconsistent gravity well. There's nothing remotely resembling a "zone" of control with consistent movement rules that you'd see in other strategy titles, and there's nothing in this implementation that fits a description of a "zone" of control on its own terms.
Forts cause some kind of strange, inconsistent gravity well. There's nothing remotely resembling a "zone" of control with consistent movement rules that you'd see in other strategy titles, and there's nothing in this implementation that fits a description of a "zone" of control on its own terms.
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You can walk through a straight line of forts, but once one of them is removed, it's suddenly not possible anymore. I really fail to see the logic behind that.
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