Ahistorical (minor) country leader art...

[neusaap]

Hey everyone,

I'll skip straight to the point, today while watching the Finland WWW again, I saw that the fascist leader of Finland had the same portrait as the communist leader of the Netherlands from Johan's playthrough on twitter (I checked it and it was indeed.) and now I wonder, are those simply placeholders that will be replaced during this time by the art department, or will it stay this way?

It isn't such a big deal, I see that, and I wouldn't care so much if ministers and/or generals have generic portraits, but I personally think the country leaders, even when ahistorical and even of minor nations should have their portraits, since everytime I want to interact diplomatically with them, I will see them.

(I also scrolled back to the Norway playthrough, but Egede-Nissen did have his own portrait, and that gave me hope again, however, it could also be Paradoxian Scandinavian Nationalism...)

EDIT:

Spoiler

Egede-Nissen didn't have his own portrait either...

 

[Cowsnipe]

Hey everyone,

I'll skip straight to the point, today while watching the Finland WWW again, I saw that the fascist leader of Finland had the same portrait as the communist leader of the Netherlands from Johan's playthrough on twitter (I checked it and it was indeed.) and now I wonder, are those simply placeholders that will be replaced during this time by the art department, or will it stay this way?

It isn't such a big deal, I see that, and I wouldn't care so much if ministers and/or generals have generic portraits, but I personally think the country leaders, even when ahistorical and even of minor nations should have their portraits, since everytime I want to interact diplomatically with them, I will see them.

(I also scrolled back to the Norway playthrough, but Egede-Nissen did have his own portrait, and that gave me hope again, however, it could also be Paradoxian Scandinavian Nationalism...)

EDIT:

Spoiler

Egede-Nissen did have his own portrait...

There's a practical limit to how much assets they can produce, and how much of it they can devote to minor powers

 

[Sharp163]

This sounds like a job for the modders. Perhaps paradox can do this in the future, but right now they're trying to focus all their attention to polishing the game for release

 

[neusaap]

True, true, however, normally, the artistic department doesn't do the coding/bugfixing, and they're still there, (otherwise they'd need to hire new art guys everytime) so they should be free to make more paintings. And for modders it's quite difficult to recreate the same style the other leaders have...

 

[Goodis]

They may have generic or limited ones on the minor nations. My guess is they will probably release a couple of minor nation unit, portrait, music etc DLC packs. Much like the Ck2 DLCs. Ck2 had ALOT of different portraits, so it's nothing impossible.

 

[Sharp163]

True, true, however, normally, the artistic department doesn't do the coding/bugfixing, and they're still there, (otherwise they'd need to hire new art guys everytime) so they should be free to make more paintings. And for modders it's quite difficult to recreate the same style the other leaders have...

You have a fair point there but I'm sure that everyone at paradox is working hard the designers are probably putting last touches on the GUI or revamping parts of the map.

They may have generic or limited ones on the minor nations. My guess is they will probably release a couple of minor nation unit, portrait, music etc DLC packs. Much like the Ck2 DLCs. Ck2 had ALOT of different portraits, so it's nothing impossible.

This^^

An art DLC seems likely.

 

[EmpireMagnis]

What I'm wondering more is why Yugoslavia doesn't have it's cold war flag for their communist variant and why Finland has an iron cross on their flag.

 

[Admiral Fisker]

Nissen's portrait is generic too.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

Nissen's portrait is generic too.

OT but this looks like some heavy blue tint there. Is it always like this?

 

[PanosB3]

If they charge 10 bucks just for a portrait for each country i'll be really pissed to be honest...

 

[Sleight of Hand]

This sounds like a job for the modders.

No, it sounds like a job for the Paradox artists.

 

[Sharp163]

No, it sounds like a job for the Paradox artists.

You have a point there. But once again, they're probably busy doing something more important right now... The portraits are important for aesthetic, but the map is more important for gameplay.

 

[Damiani]

OT but this looks like some heavy blue tint there. Is it always like this?

I think it's just because it's night time and there is a lot of blue there anyway with the US and the oceans.

 

[Zaku]

OT but this looks like some heavy blue tint there. Is it always like this?

That's the color of freedom you see there.

 

[Sharp163]

Nissen's portrait is generic too.

What is Greece doing in Ukraine??

 

[neusaap]

Nissen's portrait is generic too.

Oh well, both the real Nissen and the portrait had a moustache so I assumed that is was actually artwork of him, never saw that screen, but you're right...

(PS: poor mexicans)

 

[TheOrangeGuy]

You have a point there. But once again, they're probably busy doing something more important right now... The portraits are important for aesthetic, but the map is more important for gameplay.

Well, the game is more than a year late, you would assume at least the art was done at that time, they didn't plan to ship it without finished art I guess. So I guess that's a year of extra time to do more art. Maybe they are making DLC art. And map is not the same artists as the portraits anyways

 

[Sharp163]

Well, the game is more than a year late, you would assume at least the art was done at that time, they didn't plan to ship it without finished art I guess. So I guess that's a year of extra time to do more art. Maybe they are making DLC art. And map is not the same artists as the portraits anyways

If paradox is working on DLC's without the game even released, I'm gonna be mad...

 

[TheOrangeGuy]

If paradox is working on DLC's without the game even released, I'm gonna be mad...

It's not so uncommon. If the art is "done" or acceptable the artists need to do something to pay the bills, like future DLC. It's bad business to have them work for free, labour is really expensive in Sweden. But since paradox are really concerned about making a great flagship product, it kind of would surprise me, but I have seen a lot of unfinished art and placeholders, which makes me very confused since the game was planned to be realised more than a year ago

Edit: Bloodbowl 2 is a good example when artists working on DLC before release makes sense.... IMO

 

[Sharp163]

It's not so uncommon. If the art is "done" or acceptable the artists need to do something to pay the bills, like future DLC. It's bad business to have them work for free, labour is really expensive in Sweden. But since paradox are really concerned about making a great flagship product, it kind of would surprise me, but I have seen a lot of unfinished art and placeholders, which makes me very confused since the game was planned to be realised more than a year ago

Edit: Bloodbowl 2 is a good example when artists working on DLC before release makes sense.... IMO

... They better be working on the main game... There's still art to be done! This thread is proof of that!!