Might wanna delete your reply, since you have tagged the picture
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Ah... Argentina
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And the zeppelin Hindenburg visited south Brazil.
Nothing was black and white in the 30s. Everyone supported something, and often that something would be considered absurd for today.
Of the 3 paths going communist was the most unlikely for us (and thus should be hardest in game as well). Dunno about other south american countries, some input from others would be nice.
So the North African war is no longer a sideshow, now the sideshow is in South America... 
If it wasn't for FDR it's not inconceivable that the US would have supported Germany.
I agree, communism should not even be a choice for most countries in LATAM. The party that did something for workers and was deemed pro-USSR was the UCR in Argentina, which was also the party deposed in the '30 coup, thanks to the great depression, despite argentina being one of the few nations that had not defaulted on their debt.
Of course, the UCR was hardly communist, it was what could be said liberal democrat nowadays. And the army, which was the one in charge, could be described as paternal autocrat, maybe with a hint of fascism at least until '43.
Of course, the UCR was hardly communist, it was what could be said liberal democrat nowadays. And the army, which was the one in charge, could be described as paternal autocrat, maybe with a hint of fascism at least until '43.
In this scenario, I bet they would drag uruguay in the league in order to properly close la plata river and avoid a center os espionage.... Triple alliance assembles once more, at least in my fantasy game!!!!
Us blockding ships against venezuela might be missed in pacific war and give Japan an edge.
Besides an combined argetine-brazilian fleet might amass 4 or 5 battleship, so US woldnt only send smaller ships.
Besides, I think that a country that might benefit from axis south american alliance would be Colombia, who could join in hope to annex Panama chanel, grating valuable land acess to Brazil and/or Argentina
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But you can't bring your faction to another faction I guess.
In Hoi 2 you could have your personal alliance, you could try as Argentina to ally with Brazil. But you couldn't bring Brazil in Axis except is your puppet.
I'm not sure how it works but for example Germany can't bring Soviet Union in Axis: they can ally with Soviet Union disbanding Axis.
One of the power of united south america would be the resources, but another would be the manpower. If you have a country with tons of industry and few manpower you can lend lease these guys and make them fight in place of your people!
Still against USA they can't do much, just resist for a while, unless you form the faction in 1936 and have Germany involved before 1939.
Maybe with very easy difficulty you can lure USA to bleed out using undefended beaches as bait?
In Hoi 2 you could have your personal alliance, you could try as Argentina to ally with Brazil. But you couldn't bring Brazil in Axis except is your puppet.
I'm not sure how it works but for example Germany can't bring Soviet Union in Axis: they can ally with Soviet Union disbanding Axis.
One of the power of united south america would be the resources, but another would be the manpower. If you have a country with tons of industry and few manpower you can lend lease these guys and make them fight in place of your people!
Still against USA they can't do much, just resist for a while, unless you form the faction in 1936 and have Germany involved before 1939.
Maybe with very easy difficulty you can lure USA to bleed out using undefended beaches as bait?
Latin America growing in IC as the war escalates in Europe would be interesting. Also, I hope an Axis Argentina and an Allied Brazil can start some fun wars down there.
If someone is interested in Brazil´s role in WW2 i recommend this article in english. A really nice work of
FRANK D. McCANN from University of New Hampshire
http://eial.tau.ac.il/index.php/eial/article/view/1193/1221
This article goes a long way to explain the way the dictator of Brazil thinked at the time and how he played US and Germany to modernize the country.
FRANK D. McCANN from University of New Hampshire
http://eial.tau.ac.il/index.php/eial/article/view/1193/1221
This article goes a long way to explain the way the dictator of Brazil thinked at the time and how he played US and Germany to modernize the country.
There were some interesting politics around South America that the series has never really modeled. Germany traded a lot with them for raw materials in exchange for military and economic help. Trade died in 39 when Britain started blockading Germany. The Germans also played a narrow game to keep the Americans out of the war. All the prewar American build up was justified for "Hemispheric Defense". If a Western Hemisphere country had joined the Axis the Americans would have jumped in. As a result Hitler made comments about how the Western Hemisphere would be under American influence post war. This in turn convinced the Brazilians the Americans were the way to go. They were already negotiating basing rights before Pearl Harbor and so Brazil severed diplomatic ties with Germany in early 42.
It would be nice if the game modeled the American prewar diplomacy with a faction that could later be rolled into the Allies since that's what basically happened.
It would be nice if the game modeled the American prewar diplomacy with a faction that could later be rolled into the Allies since that's what basically happened.
I will be very interested to see what gameplay as Argentina (and the rest of South America) will be like, especially with the idealogical conflict within it. I have a couple of Argentinian friends and it has always been interesting to learn about the nation's perspective on the conflict.
Well we know that the Democratic factions are capable of changing political parties within the faction itself. An example is the fact that the UK was primarily Conservative during the war but has a chance of becoming Labour in the game (I think the only gameplay impact is whoever becomes the faction leader). I'm sure the UCR could fit into this mechanic.
However, the 'communist faction' should always be an option simply because they are there to provide ahistorical scenarios (however unrealistic). A USSR player might, for example, encourage communist revolts in South America in order to create support against the United States, or even invade South America and create puppet states. These didn't happen in the 40s in real life, but the option is there in the game.
Well we know that the Democratic factions are capable of changing political parties within the faction itself. An example is the fact that the UK was primarily Conservative during the war but has a chance of becoming Labour in the game (I think the only gameplay impact is whoever becomes the faction leader). I'm sure the UCR could fit into this mechanic.
However, the 'communist faction' should always be an option simply because they are there to provide ahistorical scenarios (however unrealistic). A USSR player might, for example, encourage communist revolts in South America in order to create support against the United States, or even invade South America and create puppet states. These didn't happen in the 40s in real life, but the option is there in the game.
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The USSR allying with Germany is a million times more plausible than the US attacking the UK. Which should only happen if the US has a coup of some sort. That's why civil war and coup mechanics exist, to create of possibility of ahistorical countries.